The Care and Feeding of Warriors: Heavy
I have spent 600 gold on respecs in the past week. Yes, you read correctly. While leveling to 80, I've been respeccing constantly. The reason is simple: I love fury, I love Titan's Grip, I have a ball running around with 2h weapons, but protection is the best leveling spec for warrior right now.
I want those of you who remember the Burning Crusade launch to read that sentence again. If you needed any proof that it's a whole new game now, then let this be your proof: protection is the best leveling spec for warriors right now. It's fast, fun and powerful. These are not things I ever expected to say about prot spec.
Now, I've been tanking for a long time now, and I've been prot since I hit 70 in TBC. It's always been excellent for tanking, but unlike other tank classes, it dedicated all of its tanking power to static threat moves and had weak multi-mob tanking abilities (I detailed what I saw as the problems of the class as tanks here) but all of that is gone now. Everything I wrote about as a weakness of protection? Gone.
Multi-mob tanking? We're strong. Damage output? Very good. Threat? Holding steady. Our health bars? You can't kill me until I run out of tricks. I have solo'd or 2 manned (with my lovely hunter wife and her pet) group quests that call for up to five people. (To be fair, I had 200 health left on one of them.) My love for DPS spec TG is still there, but if you want to finish a quest fast, nothing beats being able to pull an entire room of undead onto yourself, pop shield block, and know that they are going to kill themselves beating on you.
Protection is the best leveling spec in the game right now, good damage, excellent survivability, and moments when you revenge and shield slam for 2k back to back and things disintegrate. Today we'll talk about a protection DPS build at 70, 75 and 80. It's a strong build for grinding and can tank instances, but is not a raid tanking build for reasons we'll explain as we go.
Before we discuss the specs, however, a quick note on gear: I'm gearing for grinding/questing in a mix of DPS and tanking gear. Basically, I'm going for shield block value as high as I can get it while keeping a good mix of offensive stats like crit, hit and expertise, and trying to do as much of the shield block as I can through high strength on gear. I still have a few pure SBV pieces like my Coren's Lucky Coin equipped, but in general the priority is strength/SBV, crit, hit/expertise. Since I'm still wearing a few high SBV tanking pieces (and some other drops that are just plain high in stam) my health isn't low for this strategy. At present in defensive stance I'm sitting at about 1700 AP, 950 SBV, 16.5% crit. The spec I decided on I didn't actually choose until level 73, but we'll look at a level 70 version of it now. First, let's tick off the really big omissions of this spec: it lacks Anticipation, a solid talent that you wouldn't want to raid tank without. It's also missing Improved Bloodrage, which is one of my favorites, and both Improved Spell Reflection (awesome in a group) and Improved Disciplines. Finally, it lacks Vigilance, which is very nice for 5 man and raid tanking. It also lacks Safeguard, and maybe someday I'll care about that talent. I eagerly anticipate the impassioned defenses of Safeguard in the comments. I only wish I could share your fervor, but to my mind Safeguard lacks the one thing it would need to belong in the new prot tree, which is any good reason to take it at all.
Look for my upcoming book, I hate Safeguard, in bookstores soon.
Anyway, what does the spec have? Obviously I rocketed up the spec as fast as I could to get Shockwave, Damage Shield, Warbringer and Critical Block. The damage heart of the tree is the triad of Critical Block, Incite and Improved Revenge. Yes, Imp Revenge is worth taking, as it increases the damage of your revenges by 20% fully talented. You'll see a nice damage boost to your critical hits with Revenge, believe me, between all the strength you're packing and this talent. (Revenge gets a good deal of benefit from your AP now, after all.) Meanwhile, Shield Mastery raises your block value, Gag Order jacks up your Shield Slam damage by 10%, and Critical Block raises your Shield Slam crit chance by up to 15%. Incite raises Heroic Strike, Cleave and Thunder Clap critical hit chance by 15%. At this point, with a 16% critical hit chance, you're looking at 31% chance to crit with just about every ability you use while still sitting in defensive stance for the benefits of Improved Defensive Stance. A 100% chance to go enraged every time you block? Yes please. This gets even better once you get Enraged Regeneration. Pull 10 mobs, pop Shield Block, then use Enraged Regeneration and heal while they're beating themselves half to death on your armor and you are thunder clapping and shockwaving in their faces.
Now, you don't get ER until 75. So let's look at a level 75 version of the spec. Building on the previous version we now have ourselves Impale in the arms tree. Why did we want Impale? Because every time one of those various abilities we have talent boosted to above 30% citical hit chance actually crits, it will hit 20% harder. Shield Slamming for 2k on a crit? Now you're critical hit with shield slam is 2400. We spent five points up the arms tree, and now all those lovely critical hits we're doing, our cleaves and thunder claps and shield slams and revenges, they're all hitting 20% harder. Not to mention that we get Improved Charge, which we can use in combat thanks to Warbringer, and get more rage back from it.
You can absolutely, and easily, tank a five man instance with this spec: I've tanked up to Gundrak in it. (Technically I've tanked Gundrak with an extra point in it, since I was 76 when I did it.) Not much of an issue with rage, threat's solid, no complaints from the healers (I did throw on more pure tanking gear so my crit was lower, admittedly). While it's definitely lacking in some nice abilities for raid tanking, it puts out very, very nice threat via trhe damage potential of the spec.
The level 80 version of the spec is just the level 75 version with an extra 5% crit from Cruelty.This is where I'm heading now: in two levels I'll probably see if this is good enough for heroics or if I have to drop damage/threat abilities for more survivability. If I do I may go with this variant, which puts those five points into Anticipation instead. I could peel points from arms, too, but man I really don't want to lose Impale. I'm currently using the Glyph of Revenge and Glyph of Heroic Strike as my major glyphs, with the Glyph of Charge, Glyph of Bloodrage and Glyph of Thunder Clap as my minors. I may take the TC glyph out, I'm not really sure I need more range on that ability.
Next week we'll probably talk about arms leveling specs, because I owe arms some love, and it is a very solid spec right now.
Filed under: Warrior, Analysis / Opinion, Odds and ends, Expansions, Leveling, Guides, Talents, (Warrior) The Care and Feeding of Warriors, Wrath of the Lich King






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Lasso Nov 21st 2008 3:42PM
No vigilance even at level 80? All that threat reduction to a party member and increased threat for you is definitely worth 1 point.
Kanuris Nov 22nd 2008 1:56AM
Not sure on threat outputs at 80, but back in post 3.0.1 on 70's it certainly helped on the Ret Pallys. Bloody threatmonsters.
Vicky Nov 21st 2008 3:43PM
i agree completely. i was always a happy prot warrior, but now i'm a happy prot warrior that doesn't have to switch to an alt to farm or beg a friend to help me quest. which makes me an extremely happy prot warrior who doesn't really plan on leveling my alts anytime soon :) Hell, i even solod Durn the Hungerer and other 5-man world mobs that required groups after the patch before Wrath came out. Keeping in mind, my warrior is only T4/Kara geared with two badge pieces.
amedani Nov 23rd 2008 12:46PM
im not sure i agree w/ that. I mean, grinding xp as prot is def faster than it was but i respecced titans grip and flying through quests. easily 2x faster than i was as prot but then again im puttin up round 1.6k dps as titans grip at lvl 73 compared to 750 as prot. twice the dps means things die twice as fast.it does require more food and bandaids to quest titans grip but thatll only help your cookin and first aid lvln.
Holmedog Nov 21st 2008 3:45PM
You're spec is good, but you can have it all and still be raid viable:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=Li0h0bZhxZVItrx0zidczsGo
arrogance Nov 22nd 2008 1:35AM
good spec. ty.
Atramentous Nov 21st 2008 3:49PM
I'm working on leveling a 52 warrior. Does prot have the same effectiveness at that level, or are the higher tier talents necessary?
iheartdks Nov 21st 2008 4:11PM
i've got a 48 warrior that i had been working that i thought of while reading this... is prot the spec to lvl with at that low, or is fury a better option?
Breck Nov 21st 2008 4:48PM
I went Prot at 48 and found it superior to Fury. You might kill a tiny bit slower but you almost never need to stop to eat or bandage.
Ooey Nov 21st 2008 3:56PM
Very interesting take on the prot tree. Is any of this applicable in pre-Wrath or even pre-BC content for leveling a warrior? Or is fury still the way to go there until you can spec some of the more interesting talents in the prot tree?
uncaringbear Nov 21st 2008 8:10PM
@Jon47
No, I think Twystid was referring to Xin's advice. I agree that it's foolish to think that any time spent specced in a different build is going to degrade your skills as a tank.
xin Nov 21st 2008 4:05PM
you should stay at whatever spec you will be raiding at once you get to 80 unless you dont planning on raiding
switching specs this often will make u a bad everything
it's much better to be specialized in one field specially when it comes to raiding. but if you don't raid then do whatever
but if u r planning to raid as fury or arms u should stick to those through 70-80 so you can get a feel of the rotation, and familiarize yourself with your abilities.
Twystid Nov 21st 2008 5:01PM
This is fallacious advice, and almost BAD advice.
it's fallacious, becase specialization does not impart any kind of special skill as you seem to imply; if you're a good tank, you won't become a WORSE tank by speccing into Arms or Fury. To conclude this would be to similarly conclude that any Prot-warrior who rolls an alt becomes a worse tank, simply because they play a different character. This is flat out wrong, as evidenced by many end-game Warriors who specced for PVP or grinding while they raided Kil'jaeden in TBC, as well as every MT in a raiding guild who has an alt.
Furthermore, it's almost BAD advice because, with the Dual-Spec mechanic coming sometime on the horizon, it is a better idea for Prot-spec warriors to become familiar with DPS specs, as that will increase their usefulness in raids. If your guild has 4 MTs, but only 2 MTs are needed for a given Boss, then the raidleader will bench two people if they can't swap roles. If you're both a good tank AND a good DPSer, then you're far less likely to get benched in a progression guild.
Jon47 Nov 21st 2008 7:27PM
@Twystid: I wouldn't say it's bad advice... he's not saying you shouldn't try out other specs, he even starts the damn article off saying he personally spent a small fortune on re-specs.
While there is no concrete evidence regarding the actual amount of damage done it's pretty clear that for multiple mob pulls this is an extremely viable option for anybody, regardless of what their end-game objectives are.
Gottalot Nov 22nd 2008 7:20AM
With all respect. No no no...
Changing spec while you lvl is a really good way to know your
char and skils.
Platinum Nov 21st 2008 7:45PM
This is just what I've been looking for to revitalize my abandoned fury warrior and take her into Northrend. What kind of rotation are you using to level using this spec?
Calminaion Nov 21st 2008 4:11PM
I can't do it ... I can't take prot over fury ... as much as my head is telling me to do it, half of my heart is crying out.
At the same time, he other half of my heart is yearning for prot, I gave it a go for about a week and loved it. So, I see myself spending 50g a level respeccing back and forth, because I'm not going to be able to decide.
It's for this reason that I'm going to wait until the dual-spec feature comes out ... I'll have prot and fury on hand then, and will switch between the 2 as and when it's needed (ofc, it's probably going to be reagent based or something, and the reagents cost 50g each ... typical ;-> )
Calminaion Nov 21st 2008 4:14PM
blegh, no editing FTL ... Add this onto the end :
I'll level my DK in the mean time ... and if it's not available by the time I get him to 80, I'll start with each of my other alts until Dual-Speccing DOES come out.
Now, for the DK ... blood or unholy ... aaargh ... I'm stuck in a vortex :-D
Joe Nov 21st 2008 4:27PM
I have tried all three specs. I have a level 75 warrior at the moment. I feel that Arms is the best for leveling. I have very little downtime and I can lay waste to an entire room using Bladestorm. In the dungeons I have been running I can easily average 1.4k DPS as Arms and I am in mainly Kara/T4 gear with some Northrend upgrades. I think a lot of people blow off Arms as a PvP tree, when they should be looking at it as a viable leveling spec.
Shibdaddy Nov 21st 2008 4:35PM
Its a whole new world my friends! Leveling prot is awesome! Its so nice to be able to run around and do quests and not have to drop the 40-50g's everytime you feel like running an instance.
Also, there is a lot less downtime when you're running prot. When I leveled Fury I had to stop to bandage left and right. I made a stack of Frostweave bandages when I was 70, I'm 74 now and I still have 14 left!