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11-24-2008 @ 2:07PM
Here's a stoopid n00b question:Are death knights undead?
11-24-2008 @ 2:40PM
Yes. Even though like the forsaken they show up as "humanoid" on the map (at least I think they do), they're still undead. The easiest way to explain it, is to keep in mind that they "sold their soul" for power, or had it taken from them. Remember how Arthas was in WC3 after he laid hand on Frostmourne? Though he looked to be living, the blade had claimed his soul, rendering him Undead. Death Knights work the same way.
11-24-2008 @ 2:49PM
I ask because there's a talent called Lichborne in the Frost tree that turns you into an undead for 15 sec.So, given that you've been raised by Arthas to serve him in the Scourge, what are you the rest of the time? Or does Lichborne just make you more undead?
11-24-2008 @ 3:04PM
Lichborne is just awkwardly phrased. Most likely, 'undead' in this case refers to the type 'Undead' like undead mobs, which are indeed immune to fear and charm. Which begs the question... did anyone ever check if someone under the effect of Lichborne is categorized by the game as 'undead' instead of 'humanoid'?
11-24-2008 @ 3:24PM
Lichborne temporarily changes you from humanoid classification to undead classification, making you immune to everything undead is immune to and vice versa. For example, you are immune to Fear and Charm effects, but Paladins can use Exorcism or Turn Evil on you.
11-24-2008 @ 3:33PM
while under the effects of Lichborne, DKs are considered undead, ie immune to fear and the like, but also susceptible to paladin anti-undead abilities, ie exorcism, turn evil, etc
11-24-2008 @ 4:32PM
Well, actually it's been said by some of the people who work at Blizzard that Arthas never actually died. Therefore, you can basically construe it as you wish. I don't believe all Death Knights died and were raised up - but were corrupted. Although, who knows really. Lore gets changed and retconned a lot these days.Just look at Muradin. We all thought he died. -_-
11-24-2008 @ 5:51PM
if they are undead, like i'm to understand...why don't i have the underwater breathing ability of forsaken? =(((
11-24-2008 @ 6:27PM
@havitech: They might have been Scarlet Crusade originally - at least some of the Death Knights were heroes who'd died in battle against the Scourge and been raised by Arthas, so it's quite possible that at least some of them were part of the Scarlet Crusade. Upon being freed, they promptly run back to their brethren, who hate them, are willing enough to use them as weapons against their enemies.
11-24-2008 @ 6:31PM
I like the believe there are many different levels of 'undeath'.There's the lowest of the low, which are just reanimated bodies with no real sentience of their own, like vast armies of skeletal warriors and the zombies and maybe the wraiths.Then there's the 'stupid' undead like abominations and flesh giants. They have a very simple personality, but are still pretty much tools.Then there are things like skeletal mages and death knights and the Forsaken, which are comparable to living creatures in mental capability. I think this also explains why most elves become banshees in death, but if they are reconstructed carefully to a level very close to living they can become undead servants as the San'layn or Death Knights.
11-25-2008 @ 9:07AM
@kabukiActually in the wc3 level where Arthas kills Uther and steals the Urn, Uther says he hopes they have a special place in hell reserved for his former pupil. Arthas replies that they'll never know, because he never intends to die.Arthas, at least at the time of taking up Frostmourne, was still very much alive and kicking :)
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