Varian Wrynn hates the Horde
It really can't be disputed at this point: Varian Wrynn is not fond of the Horde, at all. There will be no Jaina-style mash notes to Thrall coming from Varian any time soon.If you saw the brief window of time before the launch of Wrath where Varian and his allies talked about the onslaught of Northrend and thought maybe Horde and Alliance could cooperate to take down Arthas, think again. As long as Varian is the King of Stormwind and de-facto leader of the Alliance (since neither Tyrande nor Magni seemed particularly interested in the gig, and nobody likes Frandal) then there's not going to be anything even remotely resembling peace between the Alliance and the Horde.
Is that bad? Is how Varian is going about his leadership inherently wrong? As someone who plays Horde and Alliance fairly equally, and tries to at least keep my characters personalities distinct (I don't actually RP much, but anyone who plays with me knows that I tend to play my tauren warrior very differently than my draenei shaman, for instance) I find the addition of the former Lo'Gosh to the mix of world leaders a very interestingly divisive one. Varian is not here to make friends, he's here to kick ass.
The discussion that follows behind the jump is going to be hugely spoiler heavy. Please be warned.
Reading the most recent comic preview (the one that made Alex consider quitting the comic altogether) I suddenly found myself wondering how they intend to resolve this. Are they both Varian? Was that magical ritual both remember intended to split the King into two more easily manipulated halves? Whatever the case, the King as he appears in Wrath of the Lich King is much more like the aggressive, hot-tempered Varian who is seen in the preview going forth to try and find the person who killed his father rather than stay at home and rule the kingdom the man left him. He's much more like the gladiator than the diplomat. What does this mean for Stormwind, the Alliance, and we as players?
Well, the list of atrocities personally witnessed by Varian Wrynn are at this point pretty long. This is a man who, as a child, walked in as Garona cut his father's heart out. Llane Wrynn made the decision to welcome a half-orc into his castle, extended his friendship to her, and she turned and used that friendship to kill him on behalf of Orgrim Doomhammer, and Varian saw it happen. Then the orcs burned Stormwind to the ground, forcing the young king to flee for his life with Anduin Lothar as his only father figure, to grow up in Lordaeron as Lothar begged, cajoled and even demanded various forces join a new Alliance against the orc invaders. Then, as Varian grows up in Lordaeron, guest of King Terenas Menethil, his surrogate father dies at the hands of the same orcs that burned his city and killed his father.
Already we've got the roots for a pretty impressive hatred of orcs. Murder your father, destroy your city, then murder the person who is effectively your replacement father. Now, add to this the strain of replacing your father on the throne once Stormwind is rebuilt (and he's clearly shown spending less time ruling and more time riding around in disguise fighting bandits and trying to find Garona) which led to his being less than on top of the whole Defias fiasco, and you've got a young man who clearly feels inferior to the great kings and leaders of his experience, his father, Lothar and King Terenas.
Just in time for Terenas to die horribly at the hands of his traitor son and Lordaeron, the city he spent his formative years in waiting to return to his kingdom, becomes a charnel pit of the walking dead. I can't imagine Varian was particularly stable or happy before his attempt to broker a peace accord with the Horde (at Jaina's request, no less) led to him being kidnapped, tortured and magically damaged, winding up on the shores of Durotar with no memory of who he was. Queue the gladiator music as an orc shaman sucker-blasts him with an Earth Shock and enslaves him. All told, Varian/Lo'Gosh is remarkably restrained up until the death of Bolvar in the Wrathgate tragedy.
I find it all very interesting and I even call it the "Jack London" scenario of WoW. If you've read Call of the Wild and White Fang then you can see in the Thrall/Varian dichotomy an effort to bring that kind of element to play here: Thrall was the son of a chieftain murdered by his own people, raised by humans and shown both brutality and love from humans, who turns on human ways to embrace his heritage and grows to find the support of various strong figures (Drek'Thar, Orgrim, Grom Hellscream) and who rises to bring civilization to his people, finding support and friendship to this day from figures like Eltrigg, Rexxar, and Saurfang the Elder. Varian, for his part, saw his father, his city and his mentors one by one killed off, grew to adulthood with no support from any elder figures, fell into captivity and only escaped when he embraced the savagery of his situation and exceeded it, and every time he tries to find a peaceful solution has something taken away from him, be it his memory and identity or his support (people like Bolvar, who ruled his kingdom for him while he was away).
Thrall has seen the best and the worst of humanity, while Varian has only seen the worst of orcs. Thrall has built his people a new home in the world they came to destroy, while Varian has lost his home and seen the kingdom that sheltered him destroyed, and now inhabited by Thrall's allies the Forsaken. At the end of the events of the Wrathgate quests, Thrall is given the unquestioning support of Saurfang while Varian is left not only without Bolvar, but with outright dissent and rebellion from Jaina. The two really are almost perfect mirrors of each other, and it's fascinating from a story perspective to watch it all play out.
Now, a lot of people don't like Varian. There are charges that he's racist (and he is, if you view his hatred for orcs and undead as being biased or not based on actual experience - I would only counter that he has no reason to think better of orcs or undead, and having seen Llane get his heart cut out by a close friend might have soured him on the idea of giving his enemies a chance to get close to him, much less Bolvar dying at the hands of an undead-derived plague made in the very heart of the Undercity itself) or that he's irrational or emo. I'm not really sure how to respond to the emo idea - generally speaking, personally leading a direct attack on enemy ground is not quite what I think of as emo, but whatever - but in terms of his irrationality, I think it's clear that everything he does is quite rational if you make the assumptions he has.
Obviously, as a Horde player I find Varian's assumptions biased and unfair. He's clinging to the traumas of his past too tightly and using them to justify his current decisions. Orcs are actively trying to change and leave the past in the past, which includes things like their genocidal rampages through Draenor and Azeroth. The elder members of the Horde have memories they can barely stand to deal with and while revenge might make you feel better, it doesn't bring about a better world. Right now, from a Horde perspective, Varian is just making things worse and dividing everyone's attention at a time when the Lich King is clearly the bigger threat to everyone.
From an Alliance perspective, though, Varian's a breath of fresh air. Unlike Magni, Tyrande or Fandral, he's actively leading, getting out there and doing instead of sitting back mired in various personal issues. He's giving people a direction, marshalling the troops, and saying enough. To a people who experienced the past few years of Alliance stagnation due to the machinations of a big lizard, that's awesome right there. To a faction that has seen the Horde blossom, grabbing land all over Kalimdor and squatting right in the ruins of the greatest human kingdom ever, a leader willing to tell the Horde where to get off doesn't seem like such a bad thing. I can't imagine the average citizen of Stormwind particularly cares if their King is being fair to the people that burned their city to the ground. They probably wish the orcs had been wiped out instead of held in camps.
If you assume that the new Horde is essentially the same as the old Horde at its heart, then Varian would seem the perfect leader for the Alliance. If instead you view the new Horde as a whole new entity trying to forge a new destiny for its members, then Varian would seem the worst possible leader for the opposing faction at such a time. Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing where this new dynamic goes, even though I've never been much for worrying about there being enough War in Warcraft. If quests like Battle for the Undercity are the result, then bring on more factional hatred, I say.
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Reader Comments (Page 4 of 7)
Ormal Nov 25th 2008 6:14PM
This was a great article! One of the best on the site!
Fyve & Boomstick Nov 25th 2008 6:19PM
Bolvar had long flowing locks, and a beard. Varian has a ponytail and is clean shaven. Sorry but a heroic leader NEEDS a beard!
Bolvar understood the need for a beard. My toon (nightelf huntress) mourns the loss of his bushyness
Athenodorus Nov 25th 2008 6:23PM
Varian does indeed feel rushed, like he was a mandated story change from on high in response to fears about Warhammer leeching players from WoW.
A King can win a kingdom -- and even keep it -- by being strong. Wrynn is certainly strong. But to keep his people safe and prosperous a King needs to be wise as well.
jeanericuser001 Nov 25th 2008 6:44PM
Hmm This whole situation is an obvious he said she said with allies and horde alike taking potshots at each others leaders in order to show support for their faction. To be honest I care little for either side but I can give some defense on both sides to this.
I have one word that describes this whole situation and maybe even some of you perfectly, puppets. Puppets to a force that everyone thinks they had beat at the sunwell but is far from over, kiljaden and the burning legion. Kiljaden from day one has been manipulating people left and right. This latest one proves it again. The wrathgate massacre was likely his idea as was the plague. Eliminate as many potential enemies at one time as possible and surprisingly enough not only did it work but it turned his targets on each other. Thrall likely was one of the few smart people in this situation to call for caution anyways but since no one listened the massacre happened. As for this article, its my assumption that maybe kiljaden may also have puppet strings on the young fool hardy king as well. After all he has him running head long into battle and even after a tragedy happens he still has a desire to do nothing more than destroy any thing or anyone he doesnt like. Remind you of a certain king who lives up north. hehehe Some how I get the feeling the recent expansion is only half complete and the real interesting stuff has only just begun and likely may be even more prominent in the next expansion pack.
Tuberon Nov 25th 2008 6:43PM
Wrynn may be king, but Tirion Fordring is the one who deserves to be followed.
Ragoros Nov 25th 2008 6:46PM
Note: the Horde in Northren are under the leadership of Garrosh Hellscream meaning there geting away doing things they would not do normaly in kalimdor they report to Garrosh not Thrall or Saurfang the elder
Information is power and Garrosh is playing most of his cards right personally i wish Saurfang would just chop his head and be done with it
i think that Varian is is pretty much Garithos: the last by the way drove the blood elfs to cut ties with the alliance do to racial hatred and the alliance is full of hate and is held together by a very thin tread
the horde in the other hand started on a thin tread and the more things change the tighter there bonds become do to the fact that they had challenges and had to over come them to trust each other
Thrall was forced by blizz to accept the Forsaken and the Blood elfs and now seems to be getting slammed for not knowing what everyone does at all times even when they go take a bathroom break.
Varion has pretty good cast of characters that could help him understand a none violent way but there just chilaxing and not helping him overcome his hatred and child like behavior
BTW orcs died with the alliance at the Wrathgate not any orc but Saurfang the Younger and Bolvar where down there i mean if u dont see that then something is wrong here pretty sure Saurfang would a snaped someones neck if he knew Thrall new the entire time that putress was going to murder his only son
and if i played alliance i be pretty proud of how Bolvar welcomed the Orcs to help them fight the undead u ditn see the hate u just saw brothers in arms.
mikelpg Nov 25th 2008 6:46PM
Question for the Horde apologists:
Why do they still call themselves The Horde.. oh sorry The New Horde?
If I wanted to lead Germany I wouldn't name my group the New Nazis. I'd think of something else to call us.
VSpeck Nov 25th 2008 6:54PM
And there goes the Godwin.
Lovecrafter Nov 26th 2008 12:31AM
Umm, I find your comment so ignorant and disturbing on so many levels!
If I was leading a new Germany, I would call it The New Germany. You have no idea how so many of us Germans still to this day, regret what had happened in WW2. For you to call the Horde the new Nazis shames me as a German and as a WoW gamer.
The Dark Wayne Nov 25th 2008 6:46PM
I don't get it, aren't the horde and alliance already at war? What are AV, WSG, AB, SotA and EoS all about?
Camaris Nov 26th 2008 5:33AM
Those are more like the proxy wars of the Cold War. For example, AV is a war between the Frostwolf Clan and the Stormpike dwarves. They are supported by the Alliance and Horde by providing manpower and epics of mass destruction, but they are not technically an integral part of either faction.
Robert Nov 25th 2008 6:52PM
Gee, really? I had no idea that the king of Stormwind didn't like the Horde. Go figure.
/sarcasm
Tigris Nov 25th 2008 7:15PM
"Varian has only seen the worst of the Horde."
So what would you consider the best of the Horde? The fact that they're *not* butchering the entire world? Yeah, that's a start.
Thrall's not stopping orcs from chopping down Ashenvale for "expansion", which means they might as well be declaring war of the Night Elves.
He's not cracking down on slavery or gladiator deathmatches.
When Sylvannas didn't get rid of a Dreadlord as her right-hand man, officially the most treacherous beings in the universe, Thrall didn't step in and do it either.
He's not stopping the experimentation on humans locked in cages in Undercity.
He's not stopping the creation of a plague that kills all things, living or undead, that's being made by a race that is *founded* on vengeance against the undead and hatred of the living.
And somehow it comes as a surprise to him to Wrath Gate happened, and he think he's completely blameless.
He's not enforcing the "no cannibalism" rule for trolls.
He didn't stop the Blood Elves from torturing and draining a naaru.
It's been exhibited countless times. His "leadership" and steering the Horde away from their more barbaric practices stems as far as saying, "Um, I don't think you should..." and then slinking away and letting them carry on what they're doing.
Tenros Nov 25th 2008 7:39PM
I can understand that the Horde wants everyone to believe they're redeemed and don't want to take over the entire world anymore, but really, they're not doing anything to try and prove this. Saying "I'm sorry," and hoping everyone will just forgive you will not work.
While it's great that Thrall got the Horde out from under the influence of demon blood, he needs to accept the wrongs his people committed in the past and try to fix them. Currently, he is doing very little to try and make up for what his people did to the Alliance. He's expecting them to just forgive the and start over, and is not willing to look at it from their perspective.
Oh, and Varian really is not the "Alliance Thrall." What makes Thrall so interesting is that though he will kick ass when the situation requires it, he will not resort to violence unless he has to. Varian, though, is a short-sighted, non-thinking brute who will only decrease the chances of the Alliance and Horde ever working together.
Brunixx Nov 25th 2008 7:47PM
Yes the horde also died at the Wrath Gate.
Yes Saurfang the Young also died.
But Saurfang jr. died because he pulled a Leeroy Jenkins.
And as was already stated, it was an act of treason against the horde, but an outright act of war against the Alliance. I would say Varian would be a bad leader if he DIDN'T fight back and throw all of what the horde's done in their face and make them pay for it.
Juliah Nov 25th 2008 8:20PM
Matthew, this is one of the best posts I've read on WoW Insider in quite some time. Thank you for the time and effort you put into it.
I'm looking forward to seeing where the story leads. I play Alliance, but I think poster #15, Dewey, has a point about some of Thrall's questionable decisions being the result of forced game mechanics.
Alchemistmerlin Nov 25th 2008 8:23PM
Oh good, decisions that make the game community even more divisive and at-odds.
That sure will help make the game more fun!
Uhg.
Grakaron Nov 25th 2008 8:30PM
All I can say is that from warcraft 3 and beyond, Jaina has always shown to be the most capable leader and RP wise I would follow her period. When Medivh brought her and Thrall together, she realised the importance of them working together. That it was their main chance to save the world. She put aside their differences and worked together and succeded.
When her father attacked the horde, she stopped him. Not because she sided with them, but because at the time they were innocent, they had a potential to be a great force of good or evil, and she wouldnt allow them to be destroyed because of this. Its the same idea as just killing someone cause they could become a mass murderer, or one of the worlds great protectors.
And for those saying Jaina is a wimp, you might wish to remember the fact that when she was kited to Orgrimmar in the game, she destroyed Thrall, and Vol'jin without breaking a sweat, so I think that says something about her power that if she thought something was she deal with it.
I believe this website also had a vote on who was the greatest leader and the only reason Jaina lost was the vote was split on the Alliance side.
Overall Varian will push things too far, and Jaina will step in and put a stop to it, and the Alliance will follow her. If she didnt have the ability to make them follow her, the original alliance at Hyjal would have never happened
Deadly. Off. Topic. Nov 26th 2008 11:39AM
I don’t see how kiting one NPC and having it destroy another NPC is part of a story line when it seems to be screwy game mechanics at best. Game mechanics dictate green target attacks red target. It doesn’t have an AI to understand, “Oh wait, I am suppose to be friendly to this guy.” And that fact that you claim she didn’t break a sweat makes me wonder what sort of defense abilities and offence powers were even incorporated in the game for Thrall at that point.
I think the correct term for Jaina is FENCE SITTER. She won’t make choices until she has to and sometimes she doesn’t act at all. If she could teleport Varian and friends back to SW from UC AT ANY TIME, why didn’t she do that immediately? I was so pissed at her when Varian started to charge forward and she’s like, “Nope, I’m not coming. Not gonna be a part of this.” And then she teleports people back AFTER Varian is engaged in battled. If she was as smart as she says she is, and I doubt it, she would have taken us back after Putress was killed. She was reluctant to go to UC, she offered her help as if she had her hands tied behind her back and then as a coop degrace cuts her support immediately. If I was her, I would done one of two things. 1. NOT have taken Varian there at all or 2. Teleported everyone back before he meant up with Thrall.
The fact that Jaina lost on that poll as Leader is because she NEVER WAS the greatest leader. Obviously the Alliance is split because they view different people as great leaders. I value wisdom, but I also value action and decision. You have to act and make choices, you can’t afford to just sit there and hope it goes away. And with Jaina, a lot of her decisions come after events occur. She doesn’t stop her father until after he starts attacking - she doesn’t even try to stop Arthas. While there are things about Varian I would rather have improved, I rather follow him than Jaina. At least he doesn’t lollygag.
kin Nov 25th 2008 8:38PM
Hail Wrynn! Sieg Alliance!
Im dissapointed that Varian didt take back Lordaeron City(undercity for u who dont know ur lore) for the alliance would of been cool to see the rebuilt city, but then hord would have 1 less and alliance 1more and that would go against blizzards holy "balance" ingame,(wheres the justice lore wise?).
And why arent there any alliance siege machines outside of UC isnt the alliance supposed to be takeing back UC?, even tough Jaine ported everyone back to SW, i doubt that someeone as insane as Varian would just live it be and say "ah hell were back home, i dont wanna go back to that dump again".
Also after trying to kill Thrall and declaring WAR on hord being ported back to SW and say now go conquer northrend, wouldt u think hed be more focused on the hord and say go kill some hord?