Varian Wrynn hates the Horde
It really can't be disputed at this point: Varian Wrynn is not fond of the Horde, at all. There will be no Jaina-style mash notes to Thrall coming from Varian any time soon.If you saw the brief window of time before the launch of Wrath where Varian and his allies talked about the onslaught of Northrend and thought maybe Horde and Alliance could cooperate to take down Arthas, think again. As long as Varian is the King of Stormwind and de-facto leader of the Alliance (since neither Tyrande nor Magni seemed particularly interested in the gig, and nobody likes Frandal) then there's not going to be anything even remotely resembling peace between the Alliance and the Horde.
Is that bad? Is how Varian is going about his leadership inherently wrong? As someone who plays Horde and Alliance fairly equally, and tries to at least keep my characters personalities distinct (I don't actually RP much, but anyone who plays with me knows that I tend to play my tauren warrior very differently than my draenei shaman, for instance) I find the addition of the former Lo'Gosh to the mix of world leaders a very interestingly divisive one. Varian is not here to make friends, he's here to kick ass.
The discussion that follows behind the jump is going to be hugely spoiler heavy. Please be warned.
Reading the most recent comic preview (the one that made Alex consider quitting the comic altogether) I suddenly found myself wondering how they intend to resolve this. Are they both Varian? Was that magical ritual both remember intended to split the King into two more easily manipulated halves? Whatever the case, the King as he appears in Wrath of the Lich King is much more like the aggressive, hot-tempered Varian who is seen in the preview going forth to try and find the person who killed his father rather than stay at home and rule the kingdom the man left him. He's much more like the gladiator than the diplomat. What does this mean for Stormwind, the Alliance, and we as players?
Well, the list of atrocities personally witnessed by Varian Wrynn are at this point pretty long. This is a man who, as a child, walked in as Garona cut his father's heart out. Llane Wrynn made the decision to welcome a half-orc into his castle, extended his friendship to her, and she turned and used that friendship to kill him on behalf of Orgrim Doomhammer, and Varian saw it happen. Then the orcs burned Stormwind to the ground, forcing the young king to flee for his life with Anduin Lothar as his only father figure, to grow up in Lordaeron as Lothar begged, cajoled and even demanded various forces join a new Alliance against the orc invaders. Then, as Varian grows up in Lordaeron, guest of King Terenas Menethil, his surrogate father dies at the hands of the same orcs that burned his city and killed his father.
Already we've got the roots for a pretty impressive hatred of orcs. Murder your father, destroy your city, then murder the person who is effectively your replacement father. Now, add to this the strain of replacing your father on the throne once Stormwind is rebuilt (and he's clearly shown spending less time ruling and more time riding around in disguise fighting bandits and trying to find Garona) which led to his being less than on top of the whole Defias fiasco, and you've got a young man who clearly feels inferior to the great kings and leaders of his experience, his father, Lothar and King Terenas.
Just in time for Terenas to die horribly at the hands of his traitor son and Lordaeron, the city he spent his formative years in waiting to return to his kingdom, becomes a charnel pit of the walking dead. I can't imagine Varian was particularly stable or happy before his attempt to broker a peace accord with the Horde (at Jaina's request, no less) led to him being kidnapped, tortured and magically damaged, winding up on the shores of Durotar with no memory of who he was. Queue the gladiator music as an orc shaman sucker-blasts him with an Earth Shock and enslaves him. All told, Varian/Lo'Gosh is remarkably restrained up until the death of Bolvar in the Wrathgate tragedy.
I find it all very interesting and I even call it the "Jack London" scenario of WoW. If you've read Call of the Wild and White Fang then you can see in the Thrall/Varian dichotomy an effort to bring that kind of element to play here: Thrall was the son of a chieftain murdered by his own people, raised by humans and shown both brutality and love from humans, who turns on human ways to embrace his heritage and grows to find the support of various strong figures (Drek'Thar, Orgrim, Grom Hellscream) and who rises to bring civilization to his people, finding support and friendship to this day from figures like Eltrigg, Rexxar, and Saurfang the Elder. Varian, for his part, saw his father, his city and his mentors one by one killed off, grew to adulthood with no support from any elder figures, fell into captivity and only escaped when he embraced the savagery of his situation and exceeded it, and every time he tries to find a peaceful solution has something taken away from him, be it his memory and identity or his support (people like Bolvar, who ruled his kingdom for him while he was away).
Thrall has seen the best and the worst of humanity, while Varian has only seen the worst of orcs. Thrall has built his people a new home in the world they came to destroy, while Varian has lost his home and seen the kingdom that sheltered him destroyed, and now inhabited by Thrall's allies the Forsaken. At the end of the events of the Wrathgate quests, Thrall is given the unquestioning support of Saurfang while Varian is left not only without Bolvar, but with outright dissent and rebellion from Jaina. The two really are almost perfect mirrors of each other, and it's fascinating from a story perspective to watch it all play out.
Now, a lot of people don't like Varian. There are charges that he's racist (and he is, if you view his hatred for orcs and undead as being biased or not based on actual experience - I would only counter that he has no reason to think better of orcs or undead, and having seen Llane get his heart cut out by a close friend might have soured him on the idea of giving his enemies a chance to get close to him, much less Bolvar dying at the hands of an undead-derived plague made in the very heart of the Undercity itself) or that he's irrational or emo. I'm not really sure how to respond to the emo idea - generally speaking, personally leading a direct attack on enemy ground is not quite what I think of as emo, but whatever - but in terms of his irrationality, I think it's clear that everything he does is quite rational if you make the assumptions he has.
Obviously, as a Horde player I find Varian's assumptions biased and unfair. He's clinging to the traumas of his past too tightly and using them to justify his current decisions. Orcs are actively trying to change and leave the past in the past, which includes things like their genocidal rampages through Draenor and Azeroth. The elder members of the Horde have memories they can barely stand to deal with and while revenge might make you feel better, it doesn't bring about a better world. Right now, from a Horde perspective, Varian is just making things worse and dividing everyone's attention at a time when the Lich King is clearly the bigger threat to everyone.
From an Alliance perspective, though, Varian's a breath of fresh air. Unlike Magni, Tyrande or Fandral, he's actively leading, getting out there and doing instead of sitting back mired in various personal issues. He's giving people a direction, marshalling the troops, and saying enough. To a people who experienced the past few years of Alliance stagnation due to the machinations of a big lizard, that's awesome right there. To a faction that has seen the Horde blossom, grabbing land all over Kalimdor and squatting right in the ruins of the greatest human kingdom ever, a leader willing to tell the Horde where to get off doesn't seem like such a bad thing. I can't imagine the average citizen of Stormwind particularly cares if their King is being fair to the people that burned their city to the ground. They probably wish the orcs had been wiped out instead of held in camps.
If you assume that the new Horde is essentially the same as the old Horde at its heart, then Varian would seem the perfect leader for the Alliance. If instead you view the new Horde as a whole new entity trying to forge a new destiny for its members, then Varian would seem the worst possible leader for the opposing faction at such a time. Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing where this new dynamic goes, even though I've never been much for worrying about there being enough War in Warcraft. If quests like Battle for the Undercity are the result, then bring on more factional hatred, I say.
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Reader Comments (Page 5 of 7)
Gordal Nov 26th 2008 8:50AM
"Im dissapointed that Varian didt take back Lordaeron City(undercity for u who dont know ur lore) for the alliance would of been cool to see the rebuilt city, but then hord would have 1 less and alliance 1more and that would go against blizzards holy "balance" ingame,(wheres the justice lore wise?)."
As mentioned before, Lordaeron is already held by its rightful people. The Forsaken *are* Lordaeron. Stormwind "retaking" a city they never actually held would be a deplorable act of invasion.
You may not like the Forsaken, lord knows as a Horde player myself I don't, but you can't really cite "lore" as an excuse for forgetting that for right or wrong, the true people of Lordaeron hold it currently.
Just because the citizens of Stormwind were once accepted as refugees in Lordaeron doesn't make them more entitled to the land than the Forsaken.
Killchrono Nov 25th 2008 9:27PM
This is a fantastic article. Wrynn, at least in terms of his game appearance (can't speak for the comics, haven't read them yet), is probably the most multifaceted character in WoW to date. He has amazing charisma and strong leadership capabilities, but is jaded by his childhood and his experiences with the Orcs.
I think the dialogue between Wrynn and Thrall in the Undercity exemplifies the extent of his character - he has a massive chip on his shoulder that will only take the slightest provocation to bring up his brutal past.
There is no set chain in his logic during this event. All he can think about how disgusting the Horde is - how disgusting the Orcs are, and how they can associate with the evil Forsaken who stole one of the Human's greatest cities.
He doesn't care for the fact that the Forsaken themselves were betrayed from within (and probably set up). He doesn't care that the Orcs suffered just as many, if not more losses at the Wrath Gate. All he cares about is sating is desire to see every single Orc and Undead (and probably the other Horde races too) wiped off the face of the planet.
Does that make him a bigot? Hell yes.
Does that make him a bad character? Hell no.
If anything, he feels justified, and many players would agree with him. Thrall HAS let some questionable allies into the Horde and made questionable decisions. The Orcs in Northrend under Hellscream are heading back down the path of making the Horde a war-mongering juggernaught. The Forsaken have always been questionable in their motives, even more so now that Sylvannas herself claims to be a victim of betrayal despite knowing about and planning the plague for years.
These are legitimate concerns, and Wrynn is calling them out on it. It's just a matter of whether you agree with him or not. I think that makes for great storytelling and debating.
VSpeck Nov 25th 2008 9:42PM
Sylvannas's plague was only supposed to kill the Scourge. The change to just plain killing everything was Varimathras and Putress's doing.
Varian is a bigot and a warmonger but I agree 100% that it makes him a better character!
I see people complaining saying things like why can't the Alliance(really just the humans) have a straight up good guy for king or why do they have to grim/dark him. It's because that what makes an interesting character. Nothing interesting about some goody two shoes named Sir Lighty Lightlord, Knight of the Lighty Lighty Order of Good and Swell.
Dantheman102100 Nov 25th 2008 9:29PM
I like the new Alliance leader. The some of the horde has, admittedly, tried to turn itself around and return to its more honorable roots, but for the most part has failed missrably. All it has shown is that the horde is incompitent at best without their cutthroat tactics, downright ignorant/weak/talks out both sides of its mouth at worst.
Thats why my main is Alliance I suppose. And quite frankly, I'm tired of the story line of the horde trying to (and being a U.S.S. Phailboat) return to its noble past. I think it would be awesome if the two went to war and one severly crippled the other.
And lastly, its about damn time Alliance got a leader who isnt a complete and total pussy.
Lemons Nov 25th 2008 9:29PM
I feel bad for Varian. Think about, Varian will stop at nothing until the Horde are defeated and destroyed and since that will never happen in WoW the only other solution is that he himself will eventually be destroyed. I'm not saying that for sure but it seems like a path the story could take.
It seems a shame that he has had so much hardship only to come back and be killed off (As I'm sure he will be eventually).
I truly hope that somewhere in wotlk he becomes redeemed and is able to lead the Alliance with a steady hand as Thrall is currently doing with the Horde.
danix Dec 4th 2008 1:21PM
By the God lemons how can you be so blind? really.. you should look at your "wondeful" leader and his poor work..
realmreaver Nov 25th 2008 9:32PM
The problem I have with the King is he's thinking of himself nd not of his people. Putting his personnel agenda before his own people. Doing what he wants instead of what is good for his people like Jainia and Thrall. I would love to see the King's death and Jainia (the only other royalty that could become Queen) asend to the throne.
As it stands you say it's a breathe of fresh air that the Alliance got a leader that is actually doing something. Saddam Husain(?) got off his butt and did things also... what did he do for his people when he did? Being King means more then doing what you want all the time as Mufasa has mentioned before in the Lion King.
Varian needs to learn this lesson. Then again he wasn't raised as a Hero, just a rich boy feel sorry for me murderer.
Kylenne Nov 25th 2008 9:53PM
If Jaina somehow became Queen of Stormwind and/or leader of the Alliance, I would re-roll Horde without hesitation and not ever look back.
Yes, I detest that Mary Sue that much.
Deadly. Off. Topic. Nov 26th 2008 12:04PM
If she became Queen, I would go and kill her myself and proclaim myself Queen. ^-^
And then I would wait to be killed in turn by the next player.
naixdra Nov 25th 2008 9:37PM
I can understand how Varian has a....bias against the Horde. Every time he has seen a hand of kindness reached out to them he has seen than hand cut off and devoured. Thrall knowing about the Blight is questionable, but there is no way that Sylvanas didn't know about the betrayal.
In the Wrathgate cinematic did anyone else notice that not a single forsaken troop was on the battlefield, even though they have the (arguably) the biggest grudge against Arthas.
Undercity is on the other side of the world from Orgrimmar, and Thrall couldn't be expected to leave his city to make a surprise inspection but Sylvanas knew. Sylvanas is (was) too smart not to know. She was always one step ahead but now the same dreadlord who she made her pet in WCIII managed to get an entire regiment to become loyal to him, nearly assassinate her, and create enough blight to lead an assault on the wrathgate, all without her noticing......I don't buy it.
I'm surprised that the Horde is as mellow about all this as they are. I'm sure I saw plenty of orcs, tauren, and trolls doing their part (didn't see any blood elves, but I wasn't looking that closely) but the forsaken screwed you guys too, and you are willing to buy "it was a rogue faction, honest." excuse? The Forsaken, if nobody else, needs to be dealt with the Alliance knows it and the smart ones in the Horde know it. If the Horde won't deal with it than the Alliance will.
For Bolvar. For the Light. FOR THE ALLIANCE!
**Also a side-note to all the horde who say it was the draenei's fault for making you into red-skinned crazies. I believe that it was Brox giving Sargeras a cut on his shin that gave the idea that you guys would make good shock-troops. Also nobody MADE you drink the blood of demons.........just saying.
shockna Nov 26th 2008 12:57AM
Best article in awhile. I, for one, welcome our new war. Time to gather me some Orcish heads for my trophy wall.
Phoenix Psaltery Nov 26th 2008 1:41AM
shockna said...
> Best article in awhile. I, for one, welcome our new war.
> Time to gather me some Orcish heads for my trophy wall.
Odd... that's precisely how I feel about Dwarves, Humans, Gnomes, Draenei and especially Night Elves.
P2
Zarfay Nov 25th 2008 11:29PM
I read alot of the lore and have seen the little cutscenes from WC3 and its pretty obvious the majority of humans are racists, although some could argue for good reasons (orcs destroyed their homes, undead are result of the scourge, trolls are natrual enemies etc) they are still racists. If you play the alliance campaign on WC3 TFT you see how racist they are to the bloodelves and kael'thas. Although tbc was lore over kill because they would never have let the draenei into their ranks as allies.
I did the battle for undercity and after we manage to defeat the ones responsible for killing horde and alliance alike varian shows up and attacks us unprevoked and declares war. The only one to stop it is Jaina. IMHO Jaina for leader of the alliance.
Deadly. Off. Topic. Nov 26th 2008 12:11PM
The same Jaina who could have teleported Varian and friends out, but let him go forward. Yeah, Jaina FTL!
Zarfay Nov 26th 2008 4:12PM
Actually she was obviously not expecting the attack, thats why she teleported him out of there when the fight broke out.
Ragoros Nov 25th 2008 10:23PM
its funny how most alliance players believe the horde to be the most evil thing to set foot in azeroth
If I could be you, if you could be me
For just one hour, if we could find a way
To get inside each other's mind
If you could see you through my eyes
Instead your own ego I believe you'd be
I believe you'd be surprised to see
That you've been blind
applies to Alliance and Horde
both factions have commited things that should never be done again
the only reason Broxingar the Red gave a cut to Sargeras was to help not only his new allies Rhonin,Krasus, Tyrande and Malfurion close the portal that The Queen of the night elfs opened up after she sold her people to Sargeras just like the Shadow Council did to the Horde
and on the comment about Saurfang the Younger leroying it well at least he had courage to swing at him while everyone else just stood there.
as a king there would be to many factors to not try to work and alliance with the horde Legion > Lich King > old Gods > crazy dragons. I belive his reasons for War are selfish and he needs to rethink his situation for him self and his people and his alliance the fact that other faction leaders just let him go to war is retarded.
Brunixx Nov 26th 2008 1:43PM
My point was that you can't say that the horde suffered the death of Saurfang Jr. because of the "Evil" Forsaken. I didn't mean the Leeroy part as litteraly.
Shanic Nov 25th 2008 10:45PM
I have no problem with Varian. I have a problem with timing.
You do not declare WAR with another faction while fighting A NECROMANTIC LORD. Ever.
kronfran Nov 25th 2008 11:31PM
Varian is an idiot and he is blinded by his rage.
Thralls horde is a new horde and he is doing everything to take it by the best road with diplomacy as a good leader.
I feel kinda bad for the poor guy tho, I kinda liked him back in the comic for a moment but he is still a dangerous racist that wont do any good.
Solid Squall Nov 25th 2008 11:56PM
Varian has the right idea and I'm with him 100%.
Personally, I think that what Jaina did was treason, and she should be made an example of.
We all know that the Horde and Alliance have both done bad stuff in their pasts. The Horde has done more bad stuff, but let's put that aside for the moment.
If we forget the past and just look at what the two factions are doing RIGHT NOW, we see that the Horde is still doing a bunch of evil stuff, and the Alliance isn't.
I'm not saying that every member of the Horde is bad, but letting other members of the Horde get away with doing bad things makes you bad by proxy.
Thrall lets bad things happen in his "New Horde" which makes him responsible. And don't say "How should he know everything that's going on?". He's the leader, it's his JOB to know what's going on.
Varian is the best thing to happen to WoW, because he's not a giant sissy. He's willing to lead his troops into the thick of battle and do what's right: Wipe the Horde from the face of Azeroth.
Also, the number of Horde players I have seen ninja mining nodes and mob spawns since WotLK came out only confirms my view that the Horde are a bunch of jerks. I've seen Alliance players do it too, but 80% of what I've seen has been by the Horde.