Varian Wrynn hates the Horde
It really can't be disputed at this point: Varian Wrynn is not fond of the Horde, at all. There will be no Jaina-style mash notes to Thrall coming from Varian any time soon.If you saw the brief window of time before the launch of Wrath where Varian and his allies talked about the onslaught of Northrend and thought maybe Horde and Alliance could cooperate to take down Arthas, think again. As long as Varian is the King of Stormwind and de-facto leader of the Alliance (since neither Tyrande nor Magni seemed particularly interested in the gig, and nobody likes Frandal) then there's not going to be anything even remotely resembling peace between the Alliance and the Horde.
Is that bad? Is how Varian is going about his leadership inherently wrong? As someone who plays Horde and Alliance fairly equally, and tries to at least keep my characters personalities distinct (I don't actually RP much, but anyone who plays with me knows that I tend to play my tauren warrior very differently than my draenei shaman, for instance) I find the addition of the former Lo'Gosh to the mix of world leaders a very interestingly divisive one. Varian is not here to make friends, he's here to kick ass.
The discussion that follows behind the jump is going to be hugely spoiler heavy. Please be warned.
Reading the most recent comic preview (the one that made Alex consider quitting the comic altogether) I suddenly found myself wondering how they intend to resolve this. Are they both Varian? Was that magical ritual both remember intended to split the King into two more easily manipulated halves? Whatever the case, the King as he appears in Wrath of the Lich King is much more like the aggressive, hot-tempered Varian who is seen in the preview going forth to try and find the person who killed his father rather than stay at home and rule the kingdom the man left him. He's much more like the gladiator than the diplomat. What does this mean for Stormwind, the Alliance, and we as players?
Well, the list of atrocities personally witnessed by Varian Wrynn are at this point pretty long. This is a man who, as a child, walked in as Garona cut his father's heart out. Llane Wrynn made the decision to welcome a half-orc into his castle, extended his friendship to her, and she turned and used that friendship to kill him on behalf of Orgrim Doomhammer, and Varian saw it happen. Then the orcs burned Stormwind to the ground, forcing the young king to flee for his life with Anduin Lothar as his only father figure, to grow up in Lordaeron as Lothar begged, cajoled and even demanded various forces join a new Alliance against the orc invaders. Then, as Varian grows up in Lordaeron, guest of King Terenas Menethil, his surrogate father dies at the hands of the same orcs that burned his city and killed his father.
Already we've got the roots for a pretty impressive hatred of orcs. Murder your father, destroy your city, then murder the person who is effectively your replacement father. Now, add to this the strain of replacing your father on the throne once Stormwind is rebuilt (and he's clearly shown spending less time ruling and more time riding around in disguise fighting bandits and trying to find Garona) which led to his being less than on top of the whole Defias fiasco, and you've got a young man who clearly feels inferior to the great kings and leaders of his experience, his father, Lothar and King Terenas.
Just in time for Terenas to die horribly at the hands of his traitor son and Lordaeron, the city he spent his formative years in waiting to return to his kingdom, becomes a charnel pit of the walking dead. I can't imagine Varian was particularly stable or happy before his attempt to broker a peace accord with the Horde (at Jaina's request, no less) led to him being kidnapped, tortured and magically damaged, winding up on the shores of Durotar with no memory of who he was. Queue the gladiator music as an orc shaman sucker-blasts him with an Earth Shock and enslaves him. All told, Varian/Lo'Gosh is remarkably restrained up until the death of Bolvar in the Wrathgate tragedy.
I find it all very interesting and I even call it the "Jack London" scenario of WoW. If you've read Call of the Wild and White Fang then you can see in the Thrall/Varian dichotomy an effort to bring that kind of element to play here: Thrall was the son of a chieftain murdered by his own people, raised by humans and shown both brutality and love from humans, who turns on human ways to embrace his heritage and grows to find the support of various strong figures (Drek'Thar, Orgrim, Grom Hellscream) and who rises to bring civilization to his people, finding support and friendship to this day from figures like Eltrigg, Rexxar, and Saurfang the Elder. Varian, for his part, saw his father, his city and his mentors one by one killed off, grew to adulthood with no support from any elder figures, fell into captivity and only escaped when he embraced the savagery of his situation and exceeded it, and every time he tries to find a peaceful solution has something taken away from him, be it his memory and identity or his support (people like Bolvar, who ruled his kingdom for him while he was away).
Thrall has seen the best and the worst of humanity, while Varian has only seen the worst of orcs. Thrall has built his people a new home in the world they came to destroy, while Varian has lost his home and seen the kingdom that sheltered him destroyed, and now inhabited by Thrall's allies the Forsaken. At the end of the events of the Wrathgate quests, Thrall is given the unquestioning support of Saurfang while Varian is left not only without Bolvar, but with outright dissent and rebellion from Jaina. The two really are almost perfect mirrors of each other, and it's fascinating from a story perspective to watch it all play out.
Now, a lot of people don't like Varian. There are charges that he's racist (and he is, if you view his hatred for orcs and undead as being biased or not based on actual experience - I would only counter that he has no reason to think better of orcs or undead, and having seen Llane get his heart cut out by a close friend might have soured him on the idea of giving his enemies a chance to get close to him, much less Bolvar dying at the hands of an undead-derived plague made in the very heart of the Undercity itself) or that he's irrational or emo. I'm not really sure how to respond to the emo idea - generally speaking, personally leading a direct attack on enemy ground is not quite what I think of as emo, but whatever - but in terms of his irrationality, I think it's clear that everything he does is quite rational if you make the assumptions he has.
Obviously, as a Horde player I find Varian's assumptions biased and unfair. He's clinging to the traumas of his past too tightly and using them to justify his current decisions. Orcs are actively trying to change and leave the past in the past, which includes things like their genocidal rampages through Draenor and Azeroth. The elder members of the Horde have memories they can barely stand to deal with and while revenge might make you feel better, it doesn't bring about a better world. Right now, from a Horde perspective, Varian is just making things worse and dividing everyone's attention at a time when the Lich King is clearly the bigger threat to everyone.
From an Alliance perspective, though, Varian's a breath of fresh air. Unlike Magni, Tyrande or Fandral, he's actively leading, getting out there and doing instead of sitting back mired in various personal issues. He's giving people a direction, marshalling the troops, and saying enough. To a people who experienced the past few years of Alliance stagnation due to the machinations of a big lizard, that's awesome right there. To a faction that has seen the Horde blossom, grabbing land all over Kalimdor and squatting right in the ruins of the greatest human kingdom ever, a leader willing to tell the Horde where to get off doesn't seem like such a bad thing. I can't imagine the average citizen of Stormwind particularly cares if their King is being fair to the people that burned their city to the ground. They probably wish the orcs had been wiped out instead of held in camps.
If you assume that the new Horde is essentially the same as the old Horde at its heart, then Varian would seem the perfect leader for the Alliance. If instead you view the new Horde as a whole new entity trying to forge a new destiny for its members, then Varian would seem the worst possible leader for the opposing faction at such a time. Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing where this new dynamic goes, even though I've never been much for worrying about there being enough War in Warcraft. If quests like Battle for the Undercity are the result, then bring on more factional hatred, I say.
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Reader Comments (Page 6 of 7)
Dante Nov 25th 2008 11:57PM
Please write more of these, Matthew. They're a definite step up from Ask a Lore Nerd.
Bifron Nov 26th 2008 12:06AM
Although I play a horde character Varian has every right to be mad and to go to war with the horde from his perspective, he just picked one of the worse times.
Instead of going to war after The Lich King is defeated he goes to war while The Lich King is still at large and all powerful. The Horde and Alliance together could defeat him, seperate though and weakening each other's force's would lead to the downfall of both the Horde and the Alliance allowing the Lich King king to destroy everything.
If he knew all the facts, took everything into consideration, it would be smarter to kill The Lich King, THEN if he was still hellbent on going to war then go to war with the Horde.
Rearete Nov 26th 2008 12:15AM
Alliance for the WIN!
" May the burning of Undercity serve as a beacon on our path."
JrSlacker Nov 26th 2008 1:09AM
Personally, with Hellscreams son, and Varian, something is going to blow up into bigger proportions.
Just look at how Hellscream dealt with the Scourge Invasion on Ogrimmar? He's just like his father who wants the Alliance or Scourge to push buttons just to give him a reason to go in.
I smell a rebellion soon, and everything both Jaina and Thrall have worked for going to be in ashes soon.
Nathanyel Nov 26th 2008 7:31AM
It is like Saurfang says in his letter http://www.wowhead.com/?item=35941
"Hellscream [...] brings us closer to a place we have not been in many years: a dark place."
Perderedeus Nov 26th 2008 1:25AM
Varian Wrynn is a maniac. I challenge any supporter of his to make the claim that anything he does is even REMOTELY kingly or honorable.
Alliance players seem to want the best of both worlds... they want a leader that can kick ass and go on a rampage, and they want someone honorable, righteous, and wise. They cheer for Varian even though he represents everything that is wrong with humans AND orcs: impulsive, reckless behavior that amounts to nothing more than posturing and bullying.
MisterMoose Nov 26th 2008 4:11AM
A lot of Alliance players don't like him. I certainly don't. He's pretty foolish. Probably about as foolish as Thrall is apparently incompetent.
Seriously, he put Garrosh in charge of the Northrend offensive? Why didn't he put Saurfang in charge with Garrosh as a subordinate? This was an idiotic mistake on his part, especially since it is clear that Saurfang is still a very capable leader. It would also have given Garrosh a chance to learn under Saurfang's guidance. This is to say nothing of the many, many offenses Thrall lets happen under his nose (and overall the Horde has a LOT more fishy stuff going on than the Alliance). Considering Northrend Horde antics this is just made worse (and ultimately everything going on in Northrend is Thrall's responsibility).
Anyhow, Jaina is the wisest leader the Alliance has...at least among the leaders that actually do something. She certainly understands that the Horde isn't all that bad. Sure it has major problems, but it isn't anything compared to the real enemies of Azeroth like the Lich King, Burning Legion, Old Gods, etc. Sure, the Alliance might have to go to war with the Horde eventually, but if that happens it should be a long time down the road, after the very existence of free life on Azeroth isn't in question.
Stroglin Nov 26th 2008 11:37AM
Hellscream is young and he is looked to as a leader. Thrall has to give him a chance, but obviously he dosnt trust him completely because he sent Saurfang to watch him. Hellscream did not experience the felblood or the things that transpired after the taint. But he is looked to by Orcs as a future leader and Thrall wants to make him a great leader but I am sure if he begins to step too far out of line then its cleave city.
MisterMoose Nov 26th 2008 1:00PM
If that's the case, then you send him as a subordinate of someone you do trust. That way he can learn to be great leader under someone else's guidance. You do it the way Thrall did and it allows him to run crazy doing anything he wants since an "adviser" doesn't have any real power over him.
Tenchan Nov 26th 2008 2:06AM
Let me point something out here: Varian is not a different kind of leader because he's such an awesomesauce character. He is different because THE GAME IS DIFFERENT. Varian is a runner for phasing and deep lore quests. I bet you my liver that had he been brought (back) into the game pre-Wrath, he would have just been standing around and giving out seemingly random quests like all other leaders until Wrath kicks in.
xoxotl Nov 26th 2008 2:12AM
Personally, I'm with the person who said that if Jania Proudmoore became the new leader of the Alliance, they would re-roll Horde and never look back. I can't stand her.
The only action she seems to take is against her fellow humans. Love him or hate him, from Varian's point of view, he can't be too fond of her, especially considering this outright treason on her part. I would be surprised if some sort of action against her didn't take place, either in the form of sanctions against Theramore or an outright invasion by Alliance forces to bring the "rogue fort" back into line.
Would Proudmoore be willing to blast an Alliance task force to kingdom come? Probably... she's shown little hesitation in using force against her "own side". But I doubt she could repel a full-out attack.
That's one big plot hole I couldn't understand with the new "Defector" questline in Theramore. Why would SI:7, which is based out of Stormwind, be so interested in preserving Proudmoore's rule of Theramore? You would think they would be the one trying to actively destabilize her. Heck... the questline shows that even a sizable portion of her own military force can't stand her! (and would probably side with the above mentioned Alliance task force)
MisterMoose Nov 26th 2008 4:03AM
I'm an alliance player for what it matters. I like the Alliance, because they generally are more ethical than the horde. If you disagree, then just try playing the starting Blood Elf and particularly Forsaken quests. (I do like the Tauren, but they are far and away the most reasonable and friendly of the Horde races).
That said, Jaina is a superior person to Wrynn, because she has something he desperately lacks; Wisdom. Pound per pound that's one of the best leadership qualities you can get. Heck, let's say going to war with the Horde is a good idea. Even allowing that, Wrynn is a complete moron for doing this before the Lich King is taken care of. Does he want to give the LK more dead bodies to raise? However bad the Horde is, the Lich King is far, far worse and needs to be taken care of first.
Beyond that, I will say the Undercity invasion was fun from a lore perspective, but very immersion-breaking. It was nice to see the things going on, but the buffs you got and the ridiculous powers of the monsters and friendlies really made your character feel very insignificant. Jaina's magic at the end didn't help that much (that could have been done better). I think Blizzard needs to rethink how it does some of these quests and make what the player does during them matter more. (Heck, they need more quests where you get to make choices. I can't believe the game isn't full of that by now).
xoxotl Nov 26th 2008 4:43AM
You know, MisterMoose, now that you mention it... are there any Horde-turned-Scourge ingame? I know that, lore-wise, there must be undead Orcs, Tauren, Blood Elves, etc. But, in-game, all I've seen (or at least all I can recall) are humans-turned-undead.
Actually, let me rephrase... and Horde-turned-Scourge at the "foot soldier" / cannon fodder level? I know we've all seen some higher-up former Horde Scourge characters such as Liches. But I've never come across, say, a zombie Orc. You would think that they would be fairly common.
Jyra Nov 26th 2008 4:26AM
The whole Undercity thing had me somewhat baffled. There was no logic whatsoever behind going after the Horde in general. It was not the Horde that caused the problems - they suffered just as much as the Alliance.
Go after the Apothecaries and, at a push, the Forsaken in general.
As an Alliance player I now have sympathy for the Horde and a hatred for Varian Wrynn - probably not what was intended.......
Angelus Nov 26th 2008 8:00AM
Everyone that says the King's timing was bad...that it's not smart to attack a Horde city while there is a war with the Lich King going on...
Don't you see that he didn't have a choice? He WAS fighting a war solely against the Lich King while Alliance forces somewhat cooperated with the Horde and then the WrathGate incident happened.
You're expecting him to do what WAS being done before the death of Highlord Fordragon.
I don't understand why Horde complain about the chance for peace being lost. You've been brewing plagues and invading lands to cut down trees all the time reveling in being the "cool faction".
Now that our King is back to kick @$$ and put some war back into that silly "warcraft" theme, suddenly now it's "He ruined our chance at peace" "He's a racist...racists are bad!"
MisterMoose Nov 26th 2008 1:03PM
Except it obviously didn't happen with Thrall's approval. If during WW2 the Russians had a rogue commander gas or attack our troops, and we and the Russians hunted that guy down, then we wouldn't have gone to war with Russia. There's a much, much bigger enemy out there at the moment. Heck, there are tons of bigger enemies out there.
Hellsbellboy Nov 26th 2008 9:02AM
This hate will led Varian to the same place that it lead Arthas. We're he'll stop at nothing to destroy something.. what next Varian making a deal with the Burning Legion to destroy the Horde?
Varian has to understand that many Horde died helping the Alliance and many Horde also died at Wrathgate.
Kraas Nov 26th 2008 9:20AM
Even as a Horde fanboy, I welcome this change. It adds some drama. Wrynn is righteously pissed (and understandably so, imo) and losing one of the few people he knew from his past pushed him over the edge. He's lost all patience with the Horde. Meanwhile Thrall is obviously reluctant to fight, and I'm pretty sure he and some other members of the Horde (and even the Alliance) know that the real enemy, the Scourge, is growing in power right in their own back yard so to speak (not to mention the fact that Kil'jaeden and the Burning Legion is still out there). Will Thrall fight? Yes, but he I think he won't strike first and he will do everything diplomatically possible to avoid war. And what about Jaina? Would Theramore side with the Horde if they think Wrynn's war is unjust (not likely, I admit)? Whatever happens, it's going to be interesting.
Brannon Nov 26th 2008 9:57AM
Finally, a King who knows what it means to truly rule. The Horde understand only force, and force is what we must show them to keep them in line.
Omestes Nov 26th 2008 12:42PM
The King will get his, and probably from events caused by his own hands.
History has taught us, both in game and in life, that people who rule by force never do any good, and only cause pain, death, and atrocities. Holding force higher than the better bits of human nature, or whatever we would call it in game, blinds one to the plight of the people, be they "your" people, or other equally important people.
I can see Varian Wrynn inflicting something much like the corruption of the Orcs upon his own people, leading to destruction, or at least rebellion.
My hopeful side sees Blizzard making the Alliance the new Horde of Warcraft 1 and 2. A source of pure disorder and destruction, that has to be corrected by the rest of the world. If Wrynn was offered some magical elixir to aid his destruction of the Horde, would he turn it down? If I was Metzen, I'd have him drink the blood of Sargeras next.
But Bliz, loving the whole redemption story, will probably make him eventually find the error of his ways. Paladins will be involved, and my interest will wain.