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11-26-2008 @ 11:52AM
The main complaint that people are having is that he's A) not considering diplomacy, B) choosing the wrong time to do it, C) not seeing the "New Horde", and D) targeting the Horde as a whole rather than just the Forsaken.A. He tried diplomacy. It got him kidnapped by the black dragonflight, who was known to be allied with the Horde during the second war. Oh, and then he was forced to fight to the death in Orcish slave pits. That's Wrynn's experience of diplomacy with the horde. You'll forgive the man for not wanting to repeat that experience. Diplomacy is out for the Horde, that's on Rehgar Earthfury's head. Fool Wrynn once, shame on you, fool Wyrnn twice, shame on him.B. The Lich King is the big threat, and the Alliance and the Horde need to fight him together. That was certainly true at Wrathgate, but things have changed. The Order of the Ebon Blade broke away, weakening the Lich King's forces, and strengthening the Alliance, and Tirion's back, with the Ashbringer, the blade that allowed Highlord Mograine to wage pretty much a one man war against the Scourge until his son stabbed him in the back. The odds have shifted more towards the Alliance's favor. However, what the Alliance can't survive is leaving themselves exposed to another situation like Wrathgate, where the Horde sucker punches them while the Alliance isn't looking. Wrynn would rather take his chances fighting on two fronts, and being able to defend against further Horde aggression, than take the risk of ignoring the Horde, and being wiped out by them.C) He hasn't seen the "New Horde"? That's true, because the "New Horde" hasn't shown him anything to differentiate themselves from the Old One. In his eyes, strictly since the Third War, what he's seen of the Horde is that they kidnapped him, forced him to fight for their entertainment, are steadily destroying the forests of Azeroth that the Night Elves live in, and now Wrathgate. And as far as Wrathgate goes, the Alliance had commited the bulk of it's forces in Northrend on the attack, including the overall commander, Highlord Fordragon. The Horde sent a much smaller force, and where was Hellscream? That's what Wrynn is seeing. His armies in Northrend decapitated while the Horde loses a token force for plausible deniability. Not a pretty face the "New" Horde's put forth, is it?D) It's nt like he went and laid siege to Ogrimmar. His response was to assault the Undercity, home of the group that initiated the attack. What does he find when he finishes off Putress? Thrall, standing in the fortress of the race that perpetrated the attack. Next to him, Sylvanas Windrunner, the leader of the Forsaken. Wrynn was likely going to stop after crushing the forsaken, and hash out the rest of the Horde when things calmed down a bit, but this changes things. We know from outside the 4th wall why Thrall was there, but from Wrynn's perspective, this just cements the idea that Thrall was in on Wrathgate.After Wrathgate, Wrynn's hand was forced. He couldn't havethe Forsaken sitting that close to the Heart of the Alliance with the kind of weapon like that plague. Putress wiped out most of the Alliance's Northrend expedition with about a dozen catapults. Imagine what the full might of the forsaken could do if it decided to move south, to Ironforge, or to Stormwind. Thrall had the last chance to salvage peace, sacrifice the Forsaken to Wrynn's justice, and he would have had a basis to say, "hey, we got hurt too." But getting caught in the Undercity when Wrynn made his move was the worst thing Thrall could have done.
11-26-2008 @ 2:47PM
Hey, hold on a second...A) The black dragonflight were allied with the Horde during the second war. Yes. The 'Old' Horde, not the current one- who make something of a point of spiking Onyxia's head on a stick in the center of their capital city.B) The Order of the Ebon Blade, and Highlord Fordring's Argent Crusade, are not Alliance factions. The Alliance's position vs. the Horde is entirely unaffected by these two groups, as they are wise enough to know where their ire should be focused (I.E. on the Lich King).C) A smaller force? It's possible. The Horde isn't as large as the Alliance. They were also the Horde's best- Horde questchains constantly have players going out and gathering supplies or striking at military targets because the Kor'kron Vanguard, the Horde's best troops, are located at the Wrathgate, with the best of the equipment and provisions. So much of the Horde military is focused there, in fact, that the Horde can't even adequately defend Warsong Hold- their major base in Northrend.Not exactly a 'token force'.D) What else does he find? Thrall and Sylvanas and a handful of bloodied Horde heroes standing over the corpse of Varimathras, having slaughtered their way into the city. Clearly accomplices!
11-26-2008 @ 2:46PM
I fully agree. Bad timing on Thrall's part, and having Windrunner beside him wasn't helping much.I have a feeling that if things go the way they are... Thrall will end up dead by Wrynn, the orcs will go in a wild fit, giving Hellscream the chance to rise to power and barring Saurfang's advice, and go to war against the Alliance.Then those who are waiting... Kil'Jaeden, The Old Gods, Deathwing and... Sargeras will come back in full force.Did you all notice that we are losing all dragon aspects, one by one?There is far more brewing than an disgruntled orc spirit in a traitor's body and a petty war between factions going on behind the curtains.And I feel that we will see Tirion Fordring and Saurfang rise to the call, and maybe the comeback of Alleria and Turalyon from the nether.So many things to ponder on. Great article!My paladin follows the path that Fordring took, the path of honor and compassion. Even with the Forsaken. Inside they would like to be part of the living again , and not all of the citizens of Lordaeron were alligned with the cult of the damned like those from Tarren Mill.This war, while a bad idea is necessary.
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