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11-30-2008 @ 10:02PM
Can someone please explain why haste and armor pen isnt all that great for a DK? I thought the haste would counteract the slow swing speed, but still allow for the top end DPS and armor pen would act like a passive sunder, allowing the strikes (or at least the white dmg) to hit a little bit harder.
11-30-2008 @ 10:37PM
I read up a bit on ElitisJerk.com to figure out exactly about what you were asking. I got a great unholy spec and a lot of answers. Haste isn't all that good because it mainly works for just our melee swings. Melee is a good chunk of dps but our talented strikes and diseases are our real bread and butter and are unaffected by haste. Armor penetration is a meh stat because, like haste it's for white swings. Diseases will increase our damage is unaffected by Armor penetration.Strength is our most important stat because it gives us parry, ap, and if you're unholy and grabbed impurity, it directly increases the effect of that talent, which in turn increases your damage from diseases, abilities, and spells.Critical Strike Rating also isn't all the important due to the fact that our dots do a lot of damage and crit doesn't work for them. It's not an ignorable stat you want some crit, it's just not all that good of a stat.Agility is a good alternative to critical strike rating due to the fact that it also gives us dodge for tanking, and crit as well.Crit affects our melee swings, strikes, and dc. So it's good to have but not super important. Head to ElitistJerk.com, might be jerks, I always mix it up. They have an excellent article on DK dps for all specs + glyphs and hit rotations. My dps shot up after tweaking one of their unholy specs to my liking and I love it.~Droctognapus, 80 Death Knight, Aegwynn
11-30-2008 @ 10:29PM
Its because most of the specials (which altogether make up the majority of damage) are instant attacks, so making haste a priority would only increase white damage.I'm pretty sure you just need too much ArP for it to notice a significant difference in damage done. Not to mention some attacks already ignore armor.
11-30-2008 @ 10:48PM
Haste is not terribly useful to a Death Knight due to the relatively low portion of their DPS being white hits. The majority of DK damage comes from DoTs and instant attacks, neither of which haste benefits in any way.Similarly, a large portion of DK dps doesn't even come from physical damage. Thus, Armor penetration is also not high on the list of 'good stats' to have for a Death Knight.All DK's (of all specs) should really focus on, is Strength (or AP, but preferably raw STR), Crit Rating, Hit Rating (until specials attacks are capped at the very least), and or course defense rating and raw parry rating (although high STR items also provide a fair bit of parry, which also helps to hybridise a lot of the gear) for the tanking types.
12-01-2008 @ 1:08AM
for haste: not alot of dk dps comes from white dmg. white dmg doesnt generate rage/energy/runic power, like rogues and warriors. there are also not much in the way of procs such as flurry (fury warriors/enhance shamans).armour pen: a fair amount of dmg ignores armour for a DK. blood spec is the most heavily physically based spec, but icy touch, death coil, and both diseases are unaffected by ArP.dont get me wrong, both these stats will still provide better dps, but if you have a choice, str/crit are better. (i'm not really too sure on stats like hit and expertise)elitist jerks have a very detailed post on stats to look for, rotations, talents etc etc. i recommend having a look
12-01-2008 @ 10:38AM
This is REALLY bothering me with many of the class columns here:How on EARTH can a stat be BAD? It's either spirit or mp5 for mages or Armor Penetration for DKs or whatnot. If the stat is there, then it's a freaking bonus. Even the tiniest bit of economical thinking says that something > nothing.And you could say that "If there was X instead of Y on it, it would be better". Well, its not there, so get another piece or use this one and don't whine like a little brat who didn't get his favorite candy when trick-or-treating.
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