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12-04-2008 @ 4:34PM
Are you getting paid to hype "EnsidiaTM" as well? Please stop mentioning those sell-outs.
12-04-2008 @ 6:06PM
Dont be emo imo.
12-04-2008 @ 8:46PM
Wow. There's so much wrong with this article.Ok, I haven't gotten all my reps to exalted, or finished every achievement. But you know what? I don't really want to. Not because I'm not interested in that stuff. But because I know it will be mind-numbingly easy. Just as easy as taking down dungeons and leveling has been. There's really nothing to look forward to in terms of challenge. And that's when you start looking for another game.I know I know. You're thinking, who cares about you. There's a bunch of 'casual' players who are experiencing endgame content for the first time. Well, I hate to break it to you, but yeah Kara was a guild-breaker, and you know what? There are 11 million subscribers to WOW. Obviously. A hard Kara didn't scare players away did it?? If things are hard, it means you have to play this game a lot. It means the best players, have to play this game, a lot. It means we can keep at this for awhile. Once things get too easy, the best players will leave. And who wants to play a game that the best players aren't playing?? Seriously. If the best players move on to another MMO, I guarantee you the general public will follow them. Because it's the best players that drive the culture... articles, magazines, guilds, FAQs. Once you lose the hardcore audience, who's going to take care of all those things? The people who barely have enough time to play? I don't think so.I actually would understand this need to undertune everything if WOW wasn't growing. But it has been. This is totally unnecessary.
12-04-2008 @ 9:49PM
@ArelI don't think you understand the point he's trying to get across. This expansion was made for the 11 Million people that play the game, not the 5000 or so that had sunwell on farm before the nerf. Blizzard has said that they could make content harder if they wanted to but they would like to make the content available to everyone not just hardcore raiders. I'm sure that after everyone gets through the bulk of wrath content new more challenging dungeons and raids will be introduced to accommodate the hardcore guys again.You shouldn't need to blow through the game within the first week of buying it and smash every boss and mob in the game to have fun. Play at your own pace experience all that the game has to offer and then worry about getting in to 25 man naxx is the whole idea blizz went with. I know I'm having fun playing still going through every quest available and hope they keep up the good work.
12-05-2008 @ 3:45AM
@DrowNoble:Exactly because I've been in EQ-1 raiding I have the reflex to think "oh good!" every time I hear "the entry level raids in WotLK are too easy".If your idea of fun is pulling new recruits through three year old raids, just so they won't die to the AOE in two year old raids, which they need to be pulled through, just so you can pull them through one year old raids to gear them up for the actual endgame. Than by all means go back to "real raiding". The problem is that Blizzard listened to all the hardcore whiners that were crying they replaced their Naxx(old Naxx) gear so soon in TBC.So fast forward a year and a half, Sunwell gear is on par with heroic drops. Sunwell geared raider are well above the gear requirement for Naxx and instance they allready know the tactics of... and now the crying starts that they can clear it too fast.... make up your mind. To be honest Blizzard should have made a slightly bigger gear (yet smaller than TBC) reset and add a little bit more actually NEW raid content. (two bosses (three of you count Archaloot) feels a little on the cheap side).You can't have it all though, you can't expect them to get it perfect either, also it's not as easy as some people make it out to be. If you're all in full T5, than you can't jump into Naxx 10 and clear it without a few proper upgrades. It's only people in full T6 (with a little sunwell) that are allready geared for the instance
12-05-2008 @ 9:36AM
@ ArelUnfortunately, I think your definition of a "good" player might be incorrect. You seem to think that having an infinite amount of time to devout to this game means you are a good player. In BC I saw many people get into T6 content not because they were at all better than me (some were actually pretty bad) but because they had the time to raid 5 nights a week and I did not. When the game becomes more about time invested than skill I think there might be something wrong. Blizzard is trying to fix this problem and make it so that if you only have a couple nights a week to devout to raiding you aren't completely left in the dark. Also, just try to keep your pants on for a bit. I believe blizzard has stated that they're just trying to make the introduction raids easier so raiding isn't as hard to get into. So it is very possible that the next content they patch in will be more challenging, at least in the 25 man version. I believe the ten mans they still want to keep for the casuals so those might not get too much harder.
12-05-2008 @ 11:10AM
Arel, you don't like it? Then GTF out of my game!!!
12-05-2008 @ 1:09PM
@ Warlock Zara"If you're all in full T5, than you can't jump into Naxx 10 and clear it without a few proper upgrades. It's only people in full T6 (with a little sunwell) that are allready geared for the instance"Thats not really true. For 25 man yes, for 10 man no. 10 man you can go in with all northrend blues and clear it if you know what your doing. My guild cleared it the first night in there.Even for experienced raiders, you shouldn't be able to clear an entire raid instance with 16 some bosses on your first night. Thats insane.And we never entered sunwell, we nevered downed Illy (though will cleared Hyjal). We were in mostly northrend blues with a few peices of t6 left. New enchants and gems of course, but other than that nothing.25 man gives somewhat of a challenge still. We went in and wiped on gluth a bunch of times and called it cause it was late. We wiped on Grob a few times but once the new people got the "dont stand in the middle of the freaking raid when you get the injection" idea he was an eazy kill.I think the actual difficulty of naxx is pretty off by everyone. The people who say its too eazy way over state it, and the people who think its at a good level really understate it.I look at it this way. Naxx 10 man is a normal dungeon. lvl 80 normal dungeons are not that hard. They are puggable. Get a group of friends together and you can clear it no prob. Maybe you wipe a few times if you don't know they encounters, but if you know what your doing a clear is a breeze.Naxx 25 man is like a heroic dungeon (like omgosh it even says Heroic on it!), Some encounters you will breeze through, but some will kick you in the ass. Like Loken will kick you in the ass alot, so will Gluth, Kel'thuzud, and Sapphiron. But there are some eazy ones as well.The raids will get more difficult. Ulduar will definatley be a step up in difficulty and it will come at at time when most capable guilds have cleared 25 man naxx and are working on finishing up the last two.Unlike BC where they released BT and Hyjal waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before most guilds could realistically be in them, i think they are planning on releasing Ulduar when most guilds can reach them. Makes sense IMO.
12-05-2008 @ 4:28PM
"yeah Kara was a guild-breaker, and you know what? There are 11 million subscribers to WOW. Obviously. A hard Kara didn't scare players away did it??"No, but they also didn't get 11 million subscribers because Kara was hard, so I don't understand what your point was.In fact, they got 11 million subscribers because WoW is easy.Easy to pick up, and hard to master. Not hardcore hard, mind you. Just hard.I can understand the desire to be part of an elite in a game, and the frustration that wow, being an mmorpg - those have always had content specifically for the elite, has now shifted towards a more accessible format. And I agree that there should be a small area, that is only reachable if you are the elite. But it should be very small, and not 100% exclusive. Heroics is a way to go. That way, no one misses the content, they'll just have to engage it at their skill level.What I cannot understand, however, is your snobby elitist attitude, if I understood your post correctly:"who wants to play a game that the best players aren't playing??"Answer: Anyone who wanted to play it.- The fact that some hypothetical elite doesn't play it, means nothing at all. The second best will simply be considered the new elite."If the best players move on to another MMO, I guarantee you the general public will follow them."I'm not so sure."Because it's the best players that drive the culture"I definately disagree.By the way, here's a hint:Pick up a second game. No one ever said you had to focus all your attention on only one game. If you have that much time, don't spend it on one game, or even solely on games. Read some books, learn a language or something. Live.Games remain a recreational activity.Not the life that some people have turned it into.- Just ask the creators of the game.
12-05-2008 @ 7:52PM
"And who wants to play a game that the best players aren't playing??"Um, people with lives. Most people (90%) play this game because they like it, not because "the best players are playing it." What the hell kind of reality do you live in?
12-06-2008 @ 3:24PM
Two points of fact, since this whole thing seems to be full of opinions. ;)1. BC endgame was hard. It didn't stop WOW from attracting 11 million subscribers.2. Blizzard is messing with something that was already working.(third point, my opinion, but i think substantiated)3. Making things easier has ruffled the feathers of those who put the most time into this game. The ones who make wikis, mods, articles, FAQs, guides, videos. And that just might not be the best thing to do for the long-term health of the WOW community. Just saying, you opining posters ;p
12-08-2008 @ 12:21AM
@Arel: Well, I write addons. Some call me a hardcore player, since I play at least a few hours every day. I just got my first level 80 today. And I'm sorry, but I'm very happy with the changes it WotLK.Also today, I went with a pug to kill the Wintergrasp 10-man boss (I forgot the name, but I'm quite sure you know which one). I think that the raid leader was one of the "good players" you talk about, since he acted like a real asshat, made fun of people's gear, and kept talking about how great his DPS is.And while his DPS was indeed way above everyone else's, if he quits the game because it's too easy, I somehow doubt that it will cause any of the nine other folks in that pug to cancel their subscriptions.
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