Ask a Lore Nerd: Shared tongues and other oddities

I fulfilled my dork quota in last week's Ask a Lore Nerd, so this week I'll ramble a bit less, and answer some more of the simpler questions we've seen recently. With that said, let's get started with Chris's question...
Why is Gorehowl just an epic weapon? It was claimed to be wielded by Grommosh Hellscream and if so shouldn't the weapon be legendary?
There are plenty of weapons in Warcraft lore that've been used by major characters and aren't Legendaries. The only ones that are Legendary weapons are the ones that have something special going for them. When it comes down to it, Gorehowl is just an axe. It has no special properties, it hasn't been around for thousands of years, nothing like that. Ashkandi, Trollbane, Gorehowl, they're all famous weapons, but that doesn't mean they're particularly special themselves.
Plus, you can only churn out so many Legendary weapons in a loot related game. Game mechanics play a big role in how many there can actually be, but that's something to get into somewhere else!
Mastari asked...
Since the Knights of the Ebon Blade are part of the Alliance/Horde now. Does that make the Lich (the Frost trainer) in the DK stating area... good?
Amal'thazad would probably fall in the realm of good now, yeah. Or at least not evil. Liches are just especially powerful undead spellcasters. Like any of the undead that serve the Scourge, they didn't necessarily volunteer to become servants of the Lich King. Amal'thazad might have just been a wizard lured over to the Scourge, and the Lich King twisted him into that rather than a ghoul or a Death Knight or something else.
You can also become a self-inflicted lich without any Scourge involvement whatsoever, but that's not particularly on topic because I doubt Amal'thazad would be one of those cases if he's in Acherus right now.
Arclon asked...
In the quest dialog for "The Etymidian" it's stated that the way gate hadn't been used in over seven centuries. As far as I know that would place it's use shortly after the gates of AQ were sealed and long before the next historical event. In any case, long after the Titans had moved on. So any ideas just who used the gate then? Or has the old gal just lost track of time?
I've been trying to figure this out myself, because I don't actually know. I haven't found anything at all that happened 700 years ago that's been mentioned in the canon lore. The closest event was the Ahn'Qiraj incident, yeah. It's possible they just chose 700 years as a generic "long time ago" date, but we'll see. They may have something else up their sleeves we haven't seen yet, or they plan to retcon the date of the War of the Shifting Sands 1.0. We just don't know yet.
Jason asked...
What language is being sung in the background in the WoW Cinematics? I think it's latin, but I'm not sure. And do we know what it means?
I thought it was just a crazy made up language meant to sound cool, but when I said that here a couple of months ago I was pretty quickly corrected. It's apparently Latin, but not grammatically correct, or even sentences at all. It's just random cool sounding Latin (or almost Latin) words that have to do with war and battle.
leprakahn asked...
I have a question about when the Orcs first arrived on Azeroth. I was wondering, how is it that the Orcs seemed to already understand the Human and Troll tongues? Did the Warlock magics somehow enable them to understand the languages or did they figure out Humanese (or is it called Common like it is in the game?) and the first Trolls they met up with happened to also speak that language?
It's purely game mechanics, and not really anything to do with the lore. There was a theory for awhile that Common and Orcish were actually the same language, but it's all story convenience and game mechanics. In the RTS games, it's easier to the Orcs and Humans to butt heads if the main characters all speak the same language. In the MMO, preventing the two factions from speaking to each other prevents griefing and, in some cases, actually encourages the two factions to clash. It prevents a potential ganker from saying, "lol u dumbass, lern2play ur mage." You also can't say, "Hey, sorry man, I didn't mean to steal your mob."
So Joe Orc and Bobby Human can't talk to each other in WoW, but when Warcraft 4 comes along and they're headlining characters, they'll be able to chat it up just fine. It's all gameplay.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 5)
Elvrag Dec 7th 2008 9:40PM
"What language is being sung in the background in the WoW Cinematics? I think it's Latin, but I'm not sure. And do we know what it means?"
I think it uses many different languages mixed in with some gibberish. For example, I hear 'Mana' means 'Magic' in this one other lenguage...i forgot >.>
MisterMoose Dec 7th 2008 10:59PM
Every language imaginable, that's why you can always read them. It's also why they are so short, all those translations take up room.
True story.
MisterMoose Dec 7th 2008 11:04PM
Man, I am having MT issues today.
Sorry about that.
Chay Dec 8th 2008 12:12AM
in the cinematic art book it says as follows :)
O Thanagor... = O King...
Solo: (little boy singing)
Ah Karanir Thanagor = Long live the king
Mor Ok Angalor = May his reign...forever
Mor OK Gorum Palahm Raval = May his strength fail him never
Choir:
Ro-mun A'l Ga Ballog A'l Ga Ballog A'l Enthu = First in battle last in retreat
Korok Na Boda = Even in death
Ha! Ma! Da! Ma!
Erigo Eo Draco Modo! (latin) = Raise this dragon now!
Mor Ok Gorum Pala'ahm = May his strength fail him never
Mor Ok Croval Angalor = May his reign last forever
Thanagor.. = King
Mor Ok Gorum = May his strength
Pala Ah'm raval= fail him never
Specto Su Praesenti (latin) = See his power
Caligo Caelum (latin) = Darken the sky
Mor Ok Croval Anga'lor = May his reign last forever
Karanir Thanagor = Long live the king
Karanir Thanagor!= Long live the king!w
There ya go, :D
Eversor Dec 8th 2008 1:06AM
Kudos Chay!
Brillig Dec 7th 2008 10:03PM
What language are books written in?
MisterMoose Dec 7th 2008 11:01PM
Every language imaginable, that's why you can always read them. It's also why they are so short, all those translations take up room.
True story.
Kaphik Dec 7th 2008 10:13PM
I would say for Horde that Gorehowl is much more important than Trollbane ever possibly could be.
DragonFireKai Dec 8th 2008 3:45AM
Gorehowl might be more important than Trollbane. If Trollbane is actually Trol'kalar, as some mention, it might not. But that's besides the point. It's an epic, and not a legendary, because it's not powerful enough to be a legendary. It's an axe that happened to be used by Grom. Just as Ashkandi happened to be used by Anduin Lothar. Niether one deserves to be a Legendary.
They aren't Sulfuras or Thunderfury, and they certainly aren't on par with Atiesh, Ashbringer, or Frostmourne. These are items with power. Frostmourne rips the souls out of its victims. Ashbringer incinerates the undead. Atiesh is infused with the power of Sargeras himself. Compared to that kind of power, Gorehowl might as well be a primitive hatchet.
Rimefang Dec 7th 2008 10:32PM
I have a question regarding Sartharion. I've gone in with a 10-man and a 25-man raid and we've gotten epics from him. Fun and good. But... *why* are we beating up on Sartharion?
Unlike Archavon (random big bad boss dude), Sartharion is part of the black dragonflight and my impression based on finishing Dragonblight quests is that the black dragonflight and the alliance/horde have a common enemy (Arthas) and are not actively at war with one another. Yes, so the quest giver makes it clear she would love to see us die in a fire, but at least for now, we're not trying to kill each other.
So... why are beating up on Sartharion if it appears we're not at war with the black dragonflight?
While on the topic, what's the deal with these sanctums? I don't remember reading anything about the sanctums in any quest or from any NPC gossip.
Culhag Dec 8th 2008 4:49AM
I heard it was explained in some book, but never in the game.
I think it has to do with the black dragonflight hatching eggs of twilight drakes just beneath the Temple, which is apparently bad.
Now I don't know what the twilight drakes are supposed to be...
Ves Dec 7th 2008 10:39PM
Who are all these humanoids aiding the blue dragonflight? I did the quest where you find out one of them was a Troll forced to work for them under the threat of harm for his family, and I assume some of them are blue dragons taking human form becuase sometimes blowing up the world requires opposable thumbs, but surely that can't all be either dragons or slaves.
Dinosoar Dec 7th 2008 10:48PM
They are the "mage hunters" mages who, desperate not to be killed by Malygos, betrayed the Kirin Tor and sided with them so they would have their lives spared. Some of them were enslaved apparently as well.
Rhozul Dec 8th 2008 6:29AM
Malygos plays hardball.
In his own demented, probably still insane mine the best way to fight and eradicate the Arcane users of Azeroth is by unloading Arcane Spell users at them.
Crazy, right? Especially considering that his reasons are that the unchecked use of Arcane Magic attracts the Burning Legion like moths to a bug zapper. Only instead, the Moths are equipped with hand-grenades.
Anyway, when you quest for Amber Ledge in Borrean Tundra, you find that the Kirin Tor are desperately trying to find and free an Archmage who was captured by the Blueflight. If you haven't done the quests, I recommend the Tundra, as it (as well as the chains in Dragonblight) show how the Kirin Tor uncover Malygos' plot to siphon the world's magic and blast it off into space.
Anyway, between the Arcmage I mentioned before and Keristraza in the Nexus, it becomes painfully clear that Malygos is not above tormenting and warping people's minds to his will; it's not unlikely that Malygos did the same to many of the Blueflight who opposed the idea of warring with mortals and the other Dragonflights. All in all, Malygos isn't much better then Arthas when it comes to recruiting help.
vazhkatsi Dec 18th 2008 5:49PM
plain and simple-quislings
Jig Dec 7th 2008 10:41PM
What happened to the structure surrounding the Dark Portal.?In Warcraft 2 and in CT: Black Morass the portal was a brownish color with skulls and spikes and such on it. Then Khadgar destroys that structure at the end of Warcraft 2, leaving only the portal. Then suddenly, when WoW comes out, there is the white structure around the portal with the snake on top and the two glowey eyed statues. So my question is, is there any lore to explain how the new structure around the Dark Portal came to be?
Ragnorax Dec 8th 2008 4:37AM
In the books Tides of Darkness and Beyond the Dark Portal it explains that the alliance tore down the Dark Portal at the end of the first part of the second war but that it rebuilt partially during the second phase of the second wat (Outland). That's if I remember that correctly. It's early and my brain is still foggy.
Jeryia Dec 7th 2008 11:01PM
Hello,
I'm curious, Why do and Horde and Alliance want to kill Sartharon in the Obsidian Sanctum? The boss does not appear to be doing anything particularly evil. Are we just killing him because of Nefarion and Onyxia?
Tanichka Dec 8th 2008 10:09AM
It was said in the War of the Ancients trilogy that Neltharion had basically warped the minds of all the black dragons; they were sworn to him, and, as their Aspect, they could not help but be tainted by the Old Gods as well.
Theoretically, it's why the Blue Flight is mostly supporting Malygos: they don't really have much of a choice in the matter. Kalecgos' initial appearance (in the Ghostlands trilogy) wasn't clear in the timeline, but his mission to protect Anveena kept him out of contact with most Dragonkin (except perhaps Korialstraz/Krasus) for several years, so one can assume that either the Sunwell/Anveena's hold on him kept him untainted, or the absence did.
It's questionable as to what Tyrigosa (Tyri) was planning on doing with the Netherwing; I think she was supposed to play a part in waking Malygos, but we haven't seen anything yet.
But anyway, getting back to the original topic, I think the idea behind killing Sartharion is that a.) He's hatching twilight drakes, or eggs experimented upon in Grim Batol after the Day of the Dragon defeat., and b.) He's Black Dragonflight acting without sanction of the Wyrmrest Accord. The Black Dragonflight representative up by the Quartermaster is under the eyes of all the other Dragonflights (save the Blues, of course).
I do have to wonder if by killing Malygos in the Nexus if there isn't going to be a power imbalance, and what that may have done to the Blue Dragonflight as a whole.
Tanichka Dec 8th 2008 10:12AM
Edit to above: More info is apparently available in Night of the Dragon, which I haven't read yet. Oversight!