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12-08-2008 @ 10:11PM
Totally agree, people have to feel like they earned their gear. I was happy in my T4 gear just becaus ei knew how hard my guild worked to get Kara on farm then take down Gruul and Mag
12-08-2008 @ 11:00PM
"People worry about the ease of raiding because a huge part of what makes raiding fun is feeling like you earned what you got. If it's too easy, then the cool gear on your toon doesn't actually mean much because you didn't expend much effort to get it."I couldn't agree more. This point is completely lost on most of the people telling hardcore raiders to "QQ moar" when discussing raid difficulty. Not all raiders are elitist masochists who need to distinguish themselves from everyone else....sometimes it just feels good to be presented with a significant challenge and overcome it through teamwork, perseverance and practice. At least that's why I enjoy raiding.
12-09-2008 @ 4:39AM
I cannot agree with you more Jtrain.My guild stopped at the T4 to T5 roadblock, we did get Hydross and another T5 boss down but that was it before the guild fractured again.But I was still happy with the difficulty there, the real thing thatstopped me from progressing was the lack of 10 man options to raid (ZA was a disaster in many ways, a lot of people just did not enjoy the instance or care much about it hence it was rarely run).If we had one more T5 instance to run in 10 man that actually fitted into the TBC storyline and gave some more gear to ease the T4-T5 bump then I think we would have progressed on.If they had just made kara dead easy (and no matter how uber you think you are its not a place people can walk through without thinking about what they are doing) then I think I would have lost interest in the whole lot - since spending 2-3 hours to pick up free epics means nothing and is just a grind.Beating hard encounters to earn them does.
12-09-2008 @ 4:00AM
I fully agree, but it's not just the gear. It's the sense of accomplishment. Forget video games... let's say we're talking summer softball leagues. When someone hit's a home run there's cheers because it doesn't happen every at bat. But if the fences were moved in so much that every hit was a home run... meh. Who cares? Too easy raiding is the same way. It's not just the cutting edge guilds and it's not just raids. Regular five mans are easy. You don't need to CC or really worry about anything... just kill the trash and bosses. This is in T4-ish gear, not Sunwell. Now, people have said to me, "well try it as a new 70 hitting Northrend with little gear" to which I reply... how manny people leveling from 70 do you thnk match that description? Isn't it much more likely that most 70s spent at least a few months there and have decent gear? Isn't that why instances started hard and got easier as people who didn't gear up at max level started hitting that level? My main concern is this... Decent midrange guilds are starting Naxx now. We'll clear it in the first couple of resets, say by Mid January. By March or so we'll be completely done with the current raids. If we get a couple more raids in the game... that might last, what? 2-4 more months for any decent guild? So we're at summer. And everything is done. If the next expansion is about 2 years from now... what do I do for the 18 months after I've cleared all of the raids?
12-09-2008 @ 4:45AM
"My main concern is this... Decent midrange guilds are starting Naxx now. We'll clear it in the first couple of resets, say by Mid January. By March or so we'll be completely done with the current raids. If we get a couple more raids in the game... that might last, what? 2-4 more months for any decent guild? So we're at summer. And everything is done. If the next expansion is about 2 years from now... what do I do for the 18 months after I've cleared all of the raids?"I think you are missing something here. The first patch (3.1 Ulduar) will come out in a few months. That should last a few more months. The next patch should come out months after that one (3.2 Unnamed Raid so far) again lasting several months. Icecrown Citadel (3.3) several months or more after that. From the BC and pre-BC experience, the major content patches seemed to average 4-6 months between releases. So going on that by the time Icecrown hits, 12-18 months have gone by. With the addition of Sunwell in BC, it is possible that another raid will follow ICC, so realistically filling 2 years with patches and content is already lined up and spaced out to give everyone enjoyment :)
12-09-2008 @ 9:56AM
If you find it too easy, then entertain yourselves instead:1) Switch characters within the guild. Always been the healer? Here, today you're the faceroll DPS while he's playing whack-a-mole!2) Still too easy? Ok, do it all over again - WITHOUT YOUR ADDONS. GLHF to most of you. 3) Oh, still too easy? Do it all over again - with your monitor turned off, or with mouse/keyboard only.
12-09-2008 @ 12:58PM
who the hell wants to play a game where the worst team in the league gets the same big gold championship trophy as the super-bowl champions?Its stupid, ruins the spirit of competition, and sours every personal achievement.I have my hopes that future content will be perfect so I'll just relax for now and do some casual things like collect pets or do achievements.
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