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12-15-2008 @ 2:10PM
Are you seriously wasting bandwidth with this crap?If the customer was too stupid to even research what he was buying, he deserves to lose his gold.
12-15-2008 @ 2:16PM
I don't disagree but at the same time, I wouldn't have accepted his money and i would have just vended the piece as payment.Someone already spent a decent amount of either money or time farming all those mats and suffered the disappointment and probably embarassment of realizing it was BoP too late.I'm sure this point will be argued by both sides. Some people are empathetic while others are just pathetic. The first group would at least offer to give his tip back. The second group would just take the money, vend the item and then brag about some dumbass that just paid them too much.
12-15-2008 @ 2:50PM
Actually, I find that this brings up a very interesting point. What, if any, ethics are involved when playing this game?Personally, I believe the least he could have done is return the gold from selling the BoP item and the tip.
12-15-2008 @ 2:32PM
I agree with My God in that he's a moron.
12-15-2008 @ 2:38PM
"Are you seriously wasting bandwidth with this crap?"Are you seriously wasting comment space, bandwith, and your own time to bash on a post that many people could benefit from?The complete lack of any morality for so many players is one of the reasons I absolutely hate the game somedays. People who, at the very least, lack any consideration for mistakes are part of the problem.The gold is somewhat insignificant at that level in the game, so I don't necessarily believe it should have been returned, but the blacksmith might have found that being a nice guy would have gone a lot farther.As an enchanter, I often find myself with the leftover shards after a PUG. If there are enough shards for everyone, and someone hearths out, I mail them the shard. Almost all of the time, and I mean almost ALL, the person returns the shard to me because they don't need it or want it.Being a nice guy goes a long way even in WoW, and is almost always better than choosing to be the Mr. Hyde that's hiding behind your keyboard and monitor.
12-15-2008 @ 3:05PM
/agree with My GodStop with these stupid "moral lessons" on wowinsider.
12-15-2008 @ 3:18PM
See, there's irony here: people cry, "Stop the preaching!" in the same breath as saying, "Oh, he deserved it!"
12-15-2008 @ 3:20PM
Lets see: Person who makes stuff knows the plans - person who asks for stuff does not. Where does the responsibility lay? Obviously, it lies with the crafter. The very Bottom line - period. As the crafter he is the one responsible and it is HIS job to inform the customer what he can provide and what he can’t provide. The fact that he could make the item means crap all. He could still NOT provide it to the customer. As such, he failed as a supplier and that means he MUST return the mats he “stole.”And in short it is theft. The fact that he could not hand over the item does NOT entitle him to keep the stuff. Keeping stuff makes him to be a thief. Because in the end, the cold hard fact is that he didn’t farm the mats or the gold, he thiefed it. Returning the cash at least and NOT taking the tip would have been the best way to go about it. I wouldn’t even have tipped the selfish thief since it’s extremely suspicious that he couldn’t warn the other guy that the item is BOP. You have to click the plans to start crafting, it’s pretty evident that you can read off the icon that it is BOP so there’s no real excuse in not informing the person - “Oh wait, my bad, this is a BOP pattern.” So basically you’re telling us he’s illiterate since he can’t read his own plans.And just for the record, I’m a blacksmith too on my main. I always make it a habit to tell people if it’s BOE or not. It’s just common sense. Anyone with half a brain should know this. Too bad your blacksmith friend is the kind of selfish jerk who likes to make money off other people by pretending that he doesn’t know what his own plans are like.
12-15-2008 @ 4:07PM
Hmmm.... I can see by quite a few of these comments who is most likely a decent person and who is a jerk.If someone is going to go and collect mats and commission a BS or any other crafter to make an item and tip them in the 25G range, then that item is most likely an epic. How the hell does someone who levels a profession to endgame levels NOT know that item is a BoP?Quite likely "Blacksmith" knew that it was BoP and made the item anyway TO GET A SKILL UP.Even if we give "Blacksmith" the benefit of the doubt and he didn't know the item was BoP because he was a dumbass, then he still SHOULD NOT have accepted a 25G tip. The person probably spent close to 1000G if not more to collect those mats which were then dumped down the toilet by "Blacksmith".It's a matter of DECENCY!When people are considerate to me, I appreciate it... whether it's in real life or in WoW.People who are abusive or deceitful or unethical have no place in my guild. Period. I do not tolerate that at all, nor should any of you.I respect everyone's rights to their own opinions, but if people don't have the decency to treat others respectfully and be honorable, then they can go to hell.This is not up for debate.
12-15-2008 @ 4:34PM
I can't say that I'm a huge fan of how this article was written. I wouldn't mind a piece on WoW Ethics and things like that, but this one struck me as a little odd.Anyway, I guess I'll add my personal opinion regarding the situation while I'm at it...for what it's worth. I don't think the guy actually did anything "wrong". It's not the way I would of handled it, but that doesn't mean it was the wrong thing to do.Obviously anybody with 1/2 a brain (or maybe less) would assume that the Blacksmith was not going to just go ahead and trash the weapon. He'd be pretty stupid to do that. So if the customer did not give him any specific instructions then what's the big deal?It would be a different story if there was some deception on the part of the Blacksmith, but there wasn't.
12-15-2008 @ 6:39PM
Maybe My God is the blacksmith in the story. That's the only reason I can see for someone being so completely up their own ass that they can't see the moral wrong that was done. At the absolute most you should keep 3g for your flight back to Dalaran, deny the tip (since no service was provided) and give the purchaser the other 10g for the vendor sale. What the Blacksmith did in this story was stealing. He knowingly took the persons materials and didn't even return the cost of vendoring the item. What would happen if you hired a craftsman to install new kitchen tiles in your kitchen. You paid the man and bought the tiles you wanted installed. Then after the craftsman takes your money and supplies he tells you that the tiles you bought wont fit in your kitchen... Thanks for the money. Have a good day. 1) The craftsman would get sued. 2) The craftsman wouldn't be in business anymore.Usually when I find a good person that has the enchants/patterns I need I go back to them because I know they are reliable and I don't have to worry about them ripping me off. Sure you may have stole 38g, but you probably lost much more if that person would have been buying a new upgrade later.Stupid Blacksmith.
12-15-2008 @ 11:53PM
'My God', you are the worst kind of person and I hope I never meet you or someone like you ingame. (Seriously, can't you even enter a proper name you dimwit?)I would have refused to take the tip and returned the money from vendoring the item and apologised profusely. It does not matter whose fault it is, it's just the decent thing to do. And if you can't understand this you are a failure both at WoW and real life.
12-16-2008 @ 12:11PM
@hold up When I pay a crafter his "tip", what is it that I'm paying *for* exactly? The service of pressing a button, I hear everyone say. The reason I pay at all (rather than, say, press the button myself) is because the crafter went to some length to gain the ability to craft that item, therefore that service is a somewhat rare commodity, therefore it costs money to get someone to perform it. If the service is performed, the fee is warranted. In this case, the customer looked up the exact item he wanted. He gathered the materials and consigned a crafter to put them together, paying him a fee to do so. The crafter did exactly what he was paid to do, i.e. take time off whatever else he was doing, port to Org and press a button for the guy. Since the item turned out to be soulbound and the customer could not retrieve it, the only thing he was entitled to was the vendor price / shard off the item. From the story it sounds like he really didn't care to be petty and simply moved on. Now sure, you can blame the crafter for not being charitable enough to give some of the money back as a some sort of consolation. You can certainly label him a bad sport and call him out for Schadenfreude. But in no way, shape or form is the crafter guilty of any professional misconduct.And thus your whole analogy is flawed. This is more like you paying me to paint your house hot pink. You pick out and buy the paint, I provide time and skill (for which I am paid), the deed is done. If you then come back and say "oh crap, hot pink is hideous", what do you expect me to do? Refund the paint? I didn't pay for it, you provided the materials. Refund the labor costs? No, the time and effort has already been spent. At the end of the day, you have an ugly pink house, I have a paycheck and a funny story to tell my buddies over beers, and it's nobody's fault but your own. So yes, this is a life lesson. It just seems that the customer in the story learned it a long time ago, took it in stride, and moved on, while the people here still cling to childish ideas of what constitutes "fair".
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