Ghostcrawler's tips on Loken

We've known that heroic Loken is currently the hardest mob in the game for a bit now. Alex broke the story a couple weeks ago, and Loken is currently killing approximately 1.8 times as many players as the next hardest boss, Sapphiron. That statistic is skewed a bit too, considering Sapphiron is a 10/25 man fight, and Loken is only a 5 man.
One of the chief complaints about Holy Paladins has been their relative lack of AoE heals. This becomes particularly evident when a Paladin attempts to heal Loken in the Halls of Lightning. It should be noted however, as Ghostcrawler does and I can attest to, it can be done with a Paladin healing.
It's on this note that Ghostcrawler has provided some tips on the strategy used to defeat heroic Loken. And while these appeared in discussion about Holy Paladins, they apply to any class equally well.
Tip #1: "Everyone moves to melee together. The Paladin casts Beacon of Light on himself."
Basically when it's time for everyone to be next to each other, everyone and their mother better move to the melee. If not, they're going to become deceased and that's pretty much the show. The Paladin will use Beacon of Light on himself here to help heal the group.
Tip #2: "When you get the emote for Lightning Nova, everyone moves back together."
I've found this is the tricky part in the fight. When everyone need to move in there is a defined point that they're going to. It's not really relative. "Move to gigantic Tauren DPS Warrior," is easy to understand for everyone. "Move back a few paces," gets to be a little more difficult. Especially if some people's idea of moving back is slowly turning with the keyboard and walking (not running) over. But that's part of the fun of this fight, you have to move together.
Tip #3: Lightning Nova doesn't have a huge range.
This tip made me raise an eyebrow and think for a minute. Lightning Nova really doesn't have a huge range. I'm used to running way the heck out of the nova just for safety's sake, but given that it really doesn't have a large range movement isn't too necessary in the extreme end. Just a little bit of it will do the trick. Well, maybe more than just a little bit, but you get the picture. You don't need to run to left field to get out of the blast.
Tip #4: "You don't need to run all the way back to Loken."
One of the secrets of good tanks is that it is often advantageous to allow the mob to come back to you after having to move. Of course this will necessitate that the DPS slow down or letup entirely as to not pass the tank in threat, but the potential benefits of doing this far outweigh the push in DPS. By allowing the mob to come to you you're essentially resetting the playing field, and in many aspects the encounter. The boss fight simply becomes a rinse-and-repeat exercise. This principle applies to many bosses, no matter if they're difficult 5-man ones like Loken or road blocks like the old Sunwell boss Felmyst. The principal is easy: "Okay, we've done this once we can do it four more times."
Tip #5: "Only spread out slightly."
While Lightning Nova is the worst of Loken's abilities you can't just ignore the others. Since you don't want Arc Lightning to stack up too much you want to be sure to stay spread out a little bit but not too much. You still want to move as a group when you have to, but don't spread out so far that the Paladin (or any other healer) can't hit you with their heals. Everyone staying within 20 to 25 yards of the healer is a good idea.
Tip #6: Loken is about movement and coordination, not about healing.
This is important to realize. If the fight was just about healing or DPS there'd be less movement required (we assume). But it's not. Much of the damage of the fight can be negated by proper movement and coordination of the group. Thus this point is perhaps the most important of them all in that many folks simply want to brute force the encounter. While brute forcing can generally work, especially if you out-gear the environment you're fighting in, it won't work in all situations. Blizzard has evolved their fights over the years and in such an evolution of encounters brute forcing becomes less and less of an option. Each fight requires some sort of gimmick or skill beyond just the typical tank-and-spank. In this case it's moving as a group.
It should be noted that it's relatively rare for a developer to comment on a specific strategy as Ghostcrawler has done. It's not uncommon for them to post about certain abilities in regards to specific kinds of fights, but an all out "here's one way I've seen this boss be killed" isn't something we're used to in WoW.
It could be that this boss is causing so much trouble for a specific class combination that the developers/Blizzard felt the need to comment. Or it could just be part of a discussion about why Paladins are still great healers. We should take caution at reading too much into why Ghostcrawler spoke out about Loken and not another P.I.T.A. mob like Malygos or 3-drake Sartharion.
Nonetheless it's fun to discuss some specific boss strategies for a relatively hard encounter, especially when the developers weigh in on the situation.
Even though these tips came out of a Holy Paladin thread on the official forums, it should be obvious that they can apply to anyone. Replace Bacon of Light with Chain Heal and you have yourself a good Restoration Shaman strategy. Or Circle of Healing, or whatever other AoE healing spell is your choice. Hell, go ahead and Holy Nova is you're uber enough.
The main point still stands – the encounter is not impossible for one class. It's very doable. And as such, it shouldn't really matter what classes you take to heal your group. You might need to adapt and change strategy a bit, but that's just part of the game.
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Reader Comments (Page 6 of 7)
Asmartperson Dec 16th 2008 2:09PM
"But that's part of the fun of this fight, you have to move together."
Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong WRONG!!!!!!
Loken is a breeze, but people keep throwing around their own strategies that are the complete opposite of what you should be doing. Everyone should spread in a separate direction so that arc lightning fades.
Norandran Dec 16th 2008 2:23PM
We do this all the time with a pally healer. We just pull loken on top of the group and burn burn burn. No one moves.
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Supercharger Dec 16th 2008 2:43PM
I can't believe this is actually a post on wowinsider. As much as people are harping on the few dudes calling out Blizzard for making the game "too easy", I find it difficult to see how most people aren't coming to the same realization.
As much as I've seen groups of people wipe on Loken, it's pretty much on-par with many heroic end bosses in TBC. I could be wrong, but I don't recall blues making posts about how to run out of the AOE for heroic Murmur when TBC was launched.
After I hit 70 on my warrior, my guildies & I decided to farm Black Morass for CoT rep and because we had it down to a 40 minute clear. Once we all got revered, we decided to try BM on heroic....and couldn't even make it to the first boss.
Those days are obviously gone, it seems. Anybody can do heroics as soon as they hit 80 and almost seem to expect to be able to clear every single heroic without having to employ extremely simple, principle boss fight rules (run out of AOE Damage / avoid shit on the ground!)
As often quoted in TBC, this also applies to WOTLK:
"In summary, TBC raiding is easy. 9/10 encounters can be summarized with 1 phrase. Stay out of the fucking fire. If this is too difficult BWL was still there last I checked, so go have at it for some practice."
Frago Dec 16th 2008 2:44PM
Yea I don't really understand how Blizzard Developers can be so lame.
Telling Holy Paladins that they need to be 120% better at playing their class than any other class and need to execute a flawless tactic to be able to heal is just astounding.
Maybe Mr Ghostcrawler Paladins aren't happy to work ten times as hard as all other healers to be able to do the same thing.
Supercharger Dec 16th 2008 2:49PM
Man, why does everybody want every class to be the same? Why do you want all healers to have the exact same abilities? Do you want the same for DPS? I'm a hunter, and I an completely fine and understanding of the Volley nerf incoming in 3.0.8. I'm not going to whine and complain that I should be able to AOE just like other classes.
Man, if you want AOE heals then roll another healing class. If you want to AOE dps then roll an AOE dps class. If you want to stealth, roll rogue. If you want to blink, roll mage.
Jesus man, don't you realize they're nerfing CoH and Wild Growth in order to encourage better healing?
Trombone Dec 16th 2008 2:57PM
We use this guy to test guild applicants. It reveals all sorts of things about raid suitability, character etc.
doompaladin Dec 16th 2008 2:55PM
I am guessing Loken is on top because not many people have attempted the Malygos encounter lols
Supercharger Dec 16th 2008 3:01PM
"YES, Blizzard NEEDS to take players like me into consideration."
It seems to me that you just listed enough reasons that prove Blizzard HAS taken you into consideration.
I too have played with a laptop in my lap, and at no point would I ever dream about complaining. The mouse was invented for a reason, you know. You must live with the limitations of a keyboard, because, it's a keyboard.
If Blizzard has provided solutions to most of your issues, then you should be happy with that. You claim your situation is as a result of having to play in a very small space with a laptop on your lap? Well where do you draw the line? Would you discount players complaining about having to play WoW while balancing on one leg and wanting Blizzard to do something about it?
Get real, imho.
Southrncomfortjm Dec 16th 2008 3:19PM
Step 1: Turn Brain on
Step 2: Don't move farther away or closer than you have to.
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Step 4: Dead Loken
First time I ever killed this guy was with a holy paladin (still mostly in T6 level gear) healing. Took us about 5 wipes to get it down, but that's it. Very fun fight, and punishing if you don't learn it well.
Me Dec 16th 2008 3:37PM
This is an easy boss if everyone is following the same strategy, and frustrating when not. The only wipes I have had were early pug groups that had at least one player deciding the follow their own strategy - such as running clear across the room to the oposite side instead of using the line and following the group.
Also, if you have decent geared players, the stack close at melee range and nuke without moving works wonders. Never taken more than about 45 seconds to kill Loken using this strategy.
Chise Dec 16th 2008 3:46PM
The strat that ive found works best is everyone stay in mele range but not on top of each other and nuke. Basically dps race him down, never had any issue with this strat, though i dont normally run with a paladin healer.
Hogly Dec 19th 2008 10:25AM
I got a HoL pug (normal), and we did the whole thing blind, no tactics, one person died and Loken was easy. Whats all the fuss about?
labmixz Dec 16th 2008 4:25PM
I don't see what's so hard about the mob, just take a dang hunter or shaman (usually resto shaman) have them throw down a nature resist totem, everyone stays in for the AoE, shaman chain heals, and everyone groups up on Loken... dead in under 2min always...
He's one of the easiest in the game in my opinion.
Truewanderer Dec 17th 2008 12:31AM
The comment by Labmixz indicates the problem with this fight, supposedly Wrath was supposed to be all about taking the player and not the class, and while Pally healers can indeed clear this, they have a much more challenging task in doing so. For some groups this will lead to situations such as heroic Mgt where groups would frequently demand Mages for their ability to sheep.
Admittedly it won't get that bad, because lets face it, healers are in short supply.
Schadenfreude Dec 16th 2008 6:22PM
This fight is CAKE for our A-team, with a druid healer, and was very, very difficult for our B-team, with a paladin healer. We got it eventually, but the difference is pretty significant.
Zarfay Dec 16th 2008 7:26PM
I did this fight and its not hard at all, we did it on the first shot.
However yesterday we did heroic hall of stone and we completley failed on the evemt =\
Mallek Dec 16th 2008 8:26PM
Bacon of Light. I lol'ed
Wasuremono Dec 16th 2008 10:23PM
It still doesn't dispell the argument that while possible for holy paladins it is more difficult than for the other healers. I don't know if that is true or not but just saying if that is why GC is posting a specific strategy for holy paladins then it is kind of useless. Paladins who are on the forums have probably heard this strategy but that doesn't speak to their argument that a pug would rather take a healer that doesn't require so much coordination.
hutch Dec 16th 2008 10:55PM
are you serious? how is loken the hardest boss you move in you move out repeat wooopy how tough a boss you have to actualy move out and stop dps heaven forbid
Shadowjoker Dec 17th 2008 3:23AM
Just get a coh priest and stay in one spot and heal your way through it. i do it all the time. Only have around 1800 spell power, so nothing major yet.