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12-22-2008 @ 12:52AM
Okay, this has kinda bugged me for a long time. Death Knights are not necessarily dead. As this article points out, our current version of death knights are emulations of Arthas' rather successful stint as the beta of Death Knight. Let us all remember, please, that Arthas never died. He was a human who was corrupted by hate, then by Frostmourne and the voice of Ner'Zhul. He never died. He just went from being human to being something.. less than that. There was no point of death and resurrection. Frankly, to me, this is the difference between the Foresaken/Scourge and the DKs. The Death Knights are the faithful lieutenants of the Lich King, end of story, and the existance of a pulse (or lack thereof) has nothing to do with it. From an RP standpoint, i find the idea of ultimate corruption and transformation (ala The Sith) far more interesting and dynamic than just being a different breed of Scourge minion, who was picked out of a pile of corpses and given a horse. :)
12-22-2008 @ 12:30AM
When you roll a Death Knight, the opening cutscene makes it very clear that you are, in fact dead. I can't quote it precisely, but it specifically in like the first minute says you were a hero of your respective faction that died and has been raised to serve the Lich King. Arthas' state of existence is irrelevant (and without getting spoilery, there are quests in Icecrown that get deeper into that--think Kingdom Hearts).I'm not really sure why people are still unclear on it. You can debate the particulars of it, like if your character did it by choice or not; I like the idea of infiltration and hadn't thought of it. You can stretch things a bit timewise (like the person above, my Belf DK died in the Third War in the defense of Silvermoon). But the undeath is extremely clear, and trying to get around it too much can lead you down the garden path of Sue-dom IMHO.
12-22-2008 @ 2:33AM
No, no, and also no. The opening sequence tells you, yes, even this very article just told you: These very Death Knights that we can play, are dead. Fallen heroes. What Arthas is is of absolutely no matter, because Arthas is and was meant to become from the start: The Lich King. He is a very special snowflake and no one but his possible successor will ever be that kind of snowflake.Even the first generation Death Knights were still using fallen bodies.Death Knights are Scourge. 'Just' Scourge. Don't try to go down the snowflake path. If you want to play a story of corruption based on class, Warlock is a wonderful opportunity.
12-22-2008 @ 4:12AM
And how many times do we "die" and are resurrected, by others and or Spirit Healers? Nothing is stopping us from being "resurrected" by Arthas. Either way, there is nothing conclusive saying we are living or undead, or in-between. I think that gives leeway to DKs to determine for ourselves if we are alive/dead/etc.It's kind of stupid and limiting to try and pigeonhole other people into playing it a certain way.
12-22-2008 @ 7:39AM
There's also the fact that Death Knights actually *aren't* undead, game mechanically speaking.Then again, neither are Forsaken, so that probably has more to do with game balance than anything else.
12-22-2008 @ 11:59AM
Get over it, people. The entire assumption of the Death Knights is that you. are. dead. Broken the Lich King's will in the vein of Sylvanas and everyone else, but most certainly dead. Your skin is pale and cold, you breathe frost puffs out from having no warmth, you're -dead-. Deal with it, and stop trying to be a special little snowflake. If the whole death problem is such an issue go roll a warlock or something. Honestly.
12-22-2008 @ 8:22PM
Avatar of Blue, please roll a death knight. Please. There is literally no more conclusive proof that DKs are undead that being told within the first minute or so of creation that "you died a hero of the Horde/Alliance".No one is trying to pigeonhole anyone's RP here. The problem, at least in my eyes, is there are people who are butthurt over their pet character concept being Jossed, so they come up with these contortions of logic and nonsensical what-if scenarios because they're too attached and don't want to start from scratch.Which is all well and good, but don't try to argue that canon supports you when it doesn't. You might as well be the half-dragon vampire daughter of Arthas and Onyxia at this point. People are starting to sound like those bugf*** Harry/Hermione shippers in Harry Potter fandom, swear to Ceiling Cat.
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