Ask a Lore Nerd: All about dragons

Welcome to Ask a Lore Nerd, where each week blogger and columnist Alex Ziebart answers your questions about the lore and history of the World of Warcraft. Ask your questions in the comments section below, and we'll try to answer it in a future edition.
The last Ask a Lore Nerd brought a whole load of Dragon-related questions, likely a result of the huge amounts of Dragon lore we've been given in Wrath of the Lich King. So today, we're going purely Dragon themed, and I'll be hitting a few of the bigger questions. Let's get started!
The last Ask a Lore Nerd brought a whole load of Dragon-related questions, likely a result of the huge amounts of Dragon lore we've been given in Wrath of the Lich King. So today, we're going purely Dragon themed, and I'll be hitting a few of the bigger questions. Let's get started!
Who are all these humanoids aiding the blue dragonflight? I did the quest where you find out one of them was a Troll forced to work for them under the threat of harm for his family, and I assume some of them are blue dragons taking human form becuase sometimes blowing up the world requires opposable thumbs, but surely they can't all be either dragons or slaves.
They could have sided with Malygos for all sorts of reasons. Slaves would be one big one. Another could be infiltration- trying to stop Malygos's machinations from the inside. Others, self-preservation. Side with the Spellweaver, possibly keep your magic when the Nexus War is through.
No doubt some of them think Malygos is right, too. A few members of the Kirin Tor think Malygos has the right idea, but his approach is disastrous and extreme, so they don't side with him. They think his actions are extreme, but maybe others don't think so at all.
In the Oculus, you fight Mage-Lord Urom. His words make it pretty clear that he thinks Malygos is right, and is doing what he's doing for the good of Azeroth. When you first meet him, he says, "Malygos is saving the world from itself!" When you take him out, his dying words are, "Everything I've done... has been for Azeroth..." He thought he was doing the right thing.
There are likely plenty of people that see things the same way as Malygos. Magic has to be brought under control. Magic has ruined Azeroth before, and it could do so again. From their point of view, you might even say that the Kirin Tor getting in the way has forced Malygos to do so many bad things. Would Keristrasza have been enslaved (and later killed) if we didn't kill Malygos's consort first? Probably not. Would the Blues have killed so many if we laid down arms? Nope.
Of course, it probably would have left us open to attack by outside forces like the Burning Legion... but maybe not. Who's to say Malygos wouldn't have helped us, in the end?
Personally, I'm on Dalaran's side, and I don't want to look like a Malygos apologist or anything. Just sayin', it's easy to see how people would side with the Aspect of Magic over the Kirin Tor.
Jeryia asked...
I'm curious, Why do and Horde and Alliance want to kill Sartharion in the Obsidian Sanctum? The boss does not appear to be doing anything particularly evil. Are we just killing him because of Nefarion and Onyxia?
I answered this over in The Queue, but it fits here pretty well, so I'll plug it again. It's a follow-up to the events in Night of the Dragon, yet another poorly written and poorly timed book. It's written like it's supposed to set up some of the events of Wrath, but was actually released after it.
Basically, Sartharion is protecting Twilight Dragon eggs. The Twilights are another hybrid creation of the Black Dragonflight. It's an attempt to recreate and bolster the flight, like Nefarian's Chromatic Dragons that we dealt with in Blackwing Lair. If you've done the quests on Netherwing Ledge in Shadowmoon Valley, you might remember meeting Lady Sinestra, one of Deathwing's lackies.
She showed up on the Ledge and asked for Netherwing Eggs from the Dragonmaw. This is a direct continuation of that. The Twilight Drakes are a Netherwing/Black Dragon hybrid, and they feed on magic, including magic of other dragons. They're bad juju. Sartharion is protecting a crapton of Twilight eggs beneath Wyrmrest in the Obsidian Sanctum, and we're dealing with them before they all hatch and grow into an army of magic sucking drakes/dragons.
They give no indication of this in-game, which is a real pain. They could at least give Krasus some flavor text about it, you know? But that's why we go in there. To deal with the Twilights. Sartharion is given the job of protecting those eggs, so we have to go through him.
fresca asked...
I've been wondering, how is it that we are allowed to kill Malygos? Isn't killing an aspect kind of messy lore-wise (especially an aspect of magic)?
Nope, not really. It's a common misconception that an Aspect's death would have massive widespread ramifications for Azeroth, but that's never been proven or given much weight. Mortals had no idea what was going to happen, but that doesn't necessarily mean something would happen.
The Titans empowered the Aspects to keep an eye on Azeroth. To watch over it, and guard it. Azeroth certainly existed before the Aspects. Think of them more as Guardians, rather than Keepers. Malygos watches over the ebb and flow of magic. He doesn't control it, he just makes sure it's going alright. He's there to make sure it doesn't get out of control. He isn't the source of magic, he's just the guy that's supposed to oversee it all.
Likewise, Nozdormu isn't Time itself. He's supposed to be the guardian of Time. The stuff we see going on in the Caverns of Time is specifically why he exists. He's there to stop things like the Infinite Dragonflight from cocking it all up.
The death of Malygos won't make magic explode the world or anything, but it does put the responsibility of watching over it much more heavily into the hands of other people. There's no dedicated overseer of magic now. Mortals will need to take things into their own hands, and other Blue Dragons will need to step up.
The same with Nozdormu. If he died, the most powerful defender of Time would be gone. The timestream would be made more vulnerable, but it wouldn't stop moving. Other people would need to step up, and mortals would probably need to take a more active role in the Caverns of Time than we are right now (though we're definitely chipping in a whole lot already). And Nozdormu will be gone one day. The Titans specifically showed him when he'll die, so he doesn't get too cocky about his power over Time. He's not above death. Even Nozdormu will die one day, and that right there is pretty good evidence against world-wide ramifications of an Aspect's death.
Maybe the Aspects are just starting to outlive their usefulness. Maybe mortals have reached the point where they can fight for themselves and don't need massive dragon overseers controlling their actions. Who knows? If we can kill Malygos, we're probably capable of watching over magic on our own.
Or maybe we're not, and the next expansion is the downfall of Azeroth. Who knows!
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 5)
The Hammer Dec 29th 2008 9:19AM
Hey, lovely edition of this series here! Some nice questions, and I found the Obsidian Sanctum question particularly enlightening!
Theostratus Dec 29th 2008 9:25AM
Kind of like that one movie/book, where humans made dragons to watch over them, but through our evolution abandoned them and they're pissed. Then later realize they've finished their task and leave the humans to their own abilities.
I kind of like that approach, though it'll be a sad day when Alexstrasza isn't there to give me something to gawk at waiting for Naxx to start.
silverdragon Dec 29th 2008 9:29AM
Maybe the next expansion will be the Return of Deathwing! Seeing as how the Night of the Dragon ends it doesnt seem so far fetch.
ROB13 Dec 29th 2008 9:29AM
I am curious into what a Old God actually looks like. A few Ask a Lore Nerds ago, you said that the C'Thun we killed wasn't whole, as is we just creamed his eye. Looking at C'Thun, his servants the Qiraj because it is said he created them in his image, and some crude picture on the walls in Ahn'Qiraj, I've drawn up a picture of what C'Thun is supposed to look like....he's not that pretty. On to our newest Old God, Yogg Sarron, he appears to be enslaving everything with wonderful whispers, but I am most interested that he is taking the same interest in Aqir as C'Thun is, as after the Nerubians are now mostly under his control. So truly Yogg Sarron should be exactly the same as C'Thun, but he must be much larger as he as taken over fulbogs in Grizzly Hills and Loken in Ulduar. Now, summarizing all this into one question, what does a Old God look like under the shadows and the tentacles?
Zrob Dec 29th 2008 10:06AM
You don't have enough sanity points to know the answer to that. Sorry.
Or in the words of H.P. Lovecraft:
"The thing was indescribable...."
Candina@WH Dec 29th 2008 11:01AM
Point for 'Call of Cthulu' reference.
Point for H.P. Lovecraft quote.
Well done, Sir! Well done.
wicked Dec 29th 2008 12:37PM
Ursoc refers to Yogg-Saron as "The Beast with a Thousand Maws."
I'd imagine since Yogg-Saron lies underneath "all of Northrend" that he's pretty fricken huge, and if we happen to face him in the Ulduar raid, it'd most likely just be a piece of him as with C'thun in AQ40
poilbrun Dec 29th 2008 9:35AM
The section about Nozdormu got me thinking: everyone agrees that we are doing some ethically questionable things within the Caverns of Time, and many reasons have been given on this site or others to explain why we should make sure that the portal is opened, for example, or why we should help Arthas decimate Stratholme, but we never got any explanation in the game.
Could it be that Nozdormu would be manipulating us to retard his demise? Could the Infinite Flight actually be trying to intervene to stop him from meddling with the timestream? It seems unlikely that they would really be good guys given some of the dialogues with them, but as many characters in WoW, they probably think that they are doing the right and that the other group is the bad guy.
I just went to WoWwiki, and apparently a quest in Dragonblight murks the waters even a bit more. I won't spoil it here, but it definitely confirms that Nozdormu has his own agenda that has not been revealed to us (yet).
Riftsrunner Dec 29th 2008 6:31PM
I was thinking the same thing. None of the Aspects seem too stable in the grand scheme of thing. Now maybe they see things differently than the mortal races. But we have one Aspect who has attempted to kill or control the other dragonflights and disappeared. One who became insane for centuries because of that and nowonce he "regains" what can be called his sanity, has gone on an anti-magic jihad. One that is being plagued by nightmares and is very disconnected from the world to the point of telling her minions to kill everything entering her domain. The Bronze Dragonflight is fighting a time-spanning dragonflight and there are whispers they may be fighting themselves making Nordormu a very good chance to be the leader, if not Anachronos. Alexstrsza seems to be stable, but she was tortured and imprisoned for a good long time and could just pull a Malygos concerning the living
Trygg Monson Jan 16th 2009 5:47AM
as for the questionable goings on within the caverns of time.
Durnholde: helping Thrall escape his Alliance captors.
For the horde, an obvious good thing. For the alliance imagine trying to fight [I believe] Archimonde at the end of WC3 if the horde weren't there to help.
Black Morass: Helping Medivh open the dark portal.
For the Horde again an obvious reason no portal, no horde. For the Alliance, the resulting wars with the orcs united the races of azeroth and lead to the alliance.
Stratholme: Helping Arthas defeat Mal'Ganis ande ensuring that he goes to Northrend and becomes the Lich King.
For both sides: Arthas' becoming the Lich King was wat destabilized the Burning Legions use of the undead to over run Azeroth yes both are equally evil but imagine how bad it would be to fight them both at the same time...
Mount Hyjal: Defending the World Tree.
Obvious reasons for both sides.
I'm sure that this post has been made already and plz forgive me if I made a mistake in my lore.
Brien Dec 29th 2008 9:37AM
Is there any indication anywhere that the Orcs are aware that the Lich King is half made up of Nerzhul?
Everyone addresses and refers to him as Arthas but he really isn't technically Arthas. I am on the alliance side so I don't know if there is any indication on the horde side of whether or not anyone is aware.
alex Dec 29th 2008 9:49AM
Technically according to Ozzy Osborne the Lich King is the Prince of Darkness (or not) I dont think too many people care that its really Nerhzul inhabiting the re-animated flesh formerly known as Prince Arthas.
Cyrus Dec 29th 2008 11:51AM
I don't know if it's ever explicitly stated in-game, but it's very likely. The Forsaken were all once part of the Scourge, and we know of at least one member of the Scourge with enough of a mind to know about Ner'Zhul and tell someone about it: Kel'Thuzad, who told the story to Arthas while he was a Death Knight. So it's very possible that some of the undead who joined the Forsaken also knew. Varimathras definitely knew, and I don't see why he would have kept it to himself. I guess it's possible that Thrall has a conspiracy to keep that information secret to keep the orcs from getting blamed for the Scourge as well as everything else they did during the previous wars, but it would be a very tough secret to keep.
Brahe Dec 29th 2008 9:43AM
Are there any books or quests in game that go more in depth about the dragonflights that weren't empowered by the titans?
onetrueping Dec 29th 2008 6:57PM
What other dragonflights would those be? As far as all evidence indicates, there are only the five dragonflights: blue, green, red, bronze, and black. The only other dragon types are hybrids or mutations of those flights, such as the Infinite, Twilight, Nether, and Chromatic, most of which are based off of the Black dragonflight.
Brahe Dec 30th 2008 12:38AM
Whenever I read about the 5 dragonflights being empowered by the Titans it says that the Titans picked them because they were the strongest dragonflights at the time
"Of all the dragonflights, five of them held dominion over their brethren."
http://www.wowwiki.com/Nozdormu#The_Ordering_of_Azeroth
This implies that there were other, weaker dragonflights who didn't get a member of their flight turned into an aspect, and I wanted to know if theres anything else out there that talks about these flights.
onetrueping Dec 31st 2008 5:25PM
That's odd. If there are, or rather, were other dragonflights, they've never again been mentioned. Perhaps they went extinct?
ash Jan 8th 2009 7:32PM
The idea of other dragonflights probably just hasn't been developed that much. Considering how much WOW borrows from Dungeons and Dragons, I imagine theres a whole slew of dragons we've never heard about. If I remember right, in D&D you basically had chromatic dragons (red, blue, green, etc) and metallic dragons (silver, gold, bronze, etc.) so I imagine there is a lot of lore that the people over at WOW could come up with to explore regarding dragons just by looking at a lot of the source material that inspired it in the first place.
Shawn Dec 29th 2008 9:43AM
It was a sad moment seeing Keristrasza's fate in the Nexus.
I love the dragonflights lore, so today was extra cool. Thanks!
silverdragon Dec 29th 2008 10:05AM
Fate?????!! lol, i'm slowing moving through Northrend since i had to make an alt to play with my gf, but i cant wait to play more!