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1-02-2009 @ 8:12AM
Very rarely it is me that is the first to quit. But sometimes, some people are just downright impossible.Take for example last time I was in Heroic UK, as tank. I saw that the healer wasn't exactly well-equipped. No matter, we can do this, I thought; we can use more CC.But would the dps go with that? No. They didn't follow the CC, not even the kill order. At least one of them were too busy doing much else than insult my tanking.Then the healer either disconnected or left for an alt. One of the wise-ass dps then said: "The healer left."I couldn't resist. I said just then and there: "I can see WHY." And left without another word. ;)
1-02-2009 @ 11:50AM
You couldn't have hit the "bigger" problem better. DPS need to understand that most tanks and healers understand their limits. I recently ran with a pug who needed a healer when our's got DC'd. I was at the time specced as a boomkin for dps, but knew that I could heal Nexus and the Old Kingdom. One of the DPS insisted that we do Nerub, and I said I cant keep up with all the poisons on the first pull as a boomkin.After we ran the other 2, they decided that my healing was good enough to do Nerub and got our asses handed to us. @ of the DPS then accused me of not trying hard enough and left.Lich has completley ruined strategy in the game because everyone wants to AoE. I know there have been tons of posts on here about the lack of healers, but I, personally, think one of the problems is there are no hybrid healing specs anymore because you need to be a true healer for instances with the sloppy AoE that everyone has fallen in love with. I leveled all the way to 70 with a DS/NS build and grabbed the one point for boomkin so I could actually level with some ease. I never had a problem healing any regular up to 70 where I went full resto, but now with the lack of CC or intelligent DPS if the tank does try and CC based on my build makes it nearly impossible.As a tankadin, the first thing I tell the healer is that we are gonna AoE things down and if a pull is sloppy and they don't think they can keep up to tell me and we will CC, and that the first bad pull is on me and I have a lay on hands to save my us, but after that we will CC to make everyones life easier. Almost always the healer says we are fine, but if we aren't they know we wont be b4 the first pull.Good healers and tanks know their limits, the DPS have got to learn to respect that again.
1-02-2009 @ 6:00PM
> 1-02-2009 @ 11:50AM > > Robert M said...Exactly! I play a ret-pally, and ret pallies have a CC ability, Repentance. Most other retadins I've seen *don't even know its there,* and every time I've run a heroic where I said "I'm going to CC that mob," if some sloppy AOE doesn't break it, half the time the tank will run at it and thunderclap or consecrate. I've actually started to hate pally tanks because too many of them are so in love with AOE tanking that they don't even check for sap/sheep/etc before throwing down.
1-02-2009 @ 4:28PM
I absolutely agree with you. DPS in PuGs can be terrible. They ding 80 and are off to heroics without the necessity Tanks and healers have to gear up before doing heroics.To prove they have the DPS to be doing heroics, they do nothing but AoE all the time to pad their stats.There is no consideration that maybe reducing the number of mobs in the pull would help the tank to survive or the healer to keep up with the damage.I know it seems counter-intuitive, but AoE, while doing more DPS than focus-fire, is slower to kill the first mob. Focus-fire will help an undergeared healer or tank by thinning out the pull as quickly as possible, reducing the incoming damage and allowing the tank to last the distance.
1-02-2009 @ 7:50PM
I fully agree on all points above. DPS needs to learn that maybe they cannot just aoe everything down. This isn't pre-Wrath aft-lolpatch anymore. Heroics are not easy with idiot dps.But there are bad, and I mean BAD tanks out there too that have caused grief to me. Not a lvl 80-example, but idiots occur at all levels:After doing a PuG Sunken Temple(yes, I'm that suicidal sometimes) on my healer-to-be shaman yesterday, I can fully attest that my level wasn't the problem. Not in the least.Enter a bear tank, that is not only annoying, but tank bad. Like, bad bad. Note that gear is not an issue - he seemed to have pretty decent feral "tank" gear(since they're one and the same almost these days, particularly on leveling). No. On the average four-five mob pull, he tanks one and the rest of the mobs come onto me after single Lesser Healing Wave. He used no CC at any point(we had two mages and rogue as dps...). When I asked him to try and keep the mobs off me, he just said "druids don't have aoe threat." I almost quit at that point, but because one of the mages seemed nice(not to mention that he took more mobs off me in a single average pull than the bear in the whole instance), I stayed to see it to the end. What a bitter end it was.In the end... rogue decided to "slow fall" down the middle whole to the bottom, and then call me to res "when we get down there." The two mages afk in turn to go get food. Nothing really unusual, just tad annoying. But.The tank, in his great wisdom, decides that after we activated the Atal'Arion(or whats-his-face-was) statues and thus summoned the boss, we would JUMP DOWN to the middle so we wouldn't have to clear the trash on the stairs. Even better, he jumped while one of the mages was still afk, and the rogue had been lying on the floor, dead, for at least half an hour.But the best was, that in the end of it all(the run ended in that wipe), he blamed //my healing// for it all. *rolleyes*Now, I know druids DO have problems with keeping the nutty dps at bay, but a healer getting aggro of five mobs out of six when the first heal lands - especially when the tank overlevels the healer by six? Sheesh.And no, it wasn't level issue either - the tank was 53. Some people just have no clue, eh? In the end I just wonder I had the patience to last there that long. Well, the mage that saved my ass on about every pull(ended on my friend list) probably had something to do with it.
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