I understand how stupid he was being, but help me figure out how stupid he really is: are you a paladin or Druid tank? If not, that guy has some serious problems.

EVEN IF you were a druud or Pally, that healer was a moron. I hate it when someones ego is all that they count on. I am all for bailing if you have morons, and I mean of the epic variety. I have done so without so much as a notification when I have had repeat offenders constantly badmouth when it is their lack of attention span be the reason for the wipes. A mage who dosen't pay attention, a hunter leaving their pet on aggro, or even a DK DG/D&Ding everything as though they are the tank. I feel your pain, and that is to all who have endured such situation! :)
Zane

Maybe next time don't pull the whole instance?? I mean 20 mobs it would be a good idea for the healer to try and not aggro since there was a clear wipe afoot. Just saying the AoE happy tank and DPS are making a single target healer a dead duck. Maybe if you would use the group dynamics the Blizz give us there wouldn't be a need to heal through a gross pull like that. Just saying. I don't blame the healer for letting you die so you can learn not to pull that many at a time.

20? Elites or non-elites? If you pulled 20-elites in a five man...well, as a DPS I would /applaud the healer for letting you die even though it mean I had a repair bill to pay myself. Cockiness and aggrogance lead to just as many wipes as stupidity and incompetance, imho.

But, how do wipes happen in most of the PUGs I've been in? Here's a pretty typical scenario: tank goes in and starts pulling everything, demands AoE, we AoE because we are "nubs" if we don't (according to him), he can't hold aggro, DPS gets creamed, healer gets creamed for trying to keep the DPS up because tank couldn't get aggro back on such a large pack of mobs...we wipe. Second try, same group: we go back in, tank pulls large again "I wanna get this instance done fast plz thx", we are reluctant to AoE as heavily because we know he can't hold aggro, so we DPS but more slowly, healer goes OOM trying to heal through all that damage on the tank, tank dies, group wipes. Rinse, repeat, but after three strikes, I'm out.

FYI, I'm not saying DPS can't cause wipes (they often do, particularly when two or more DPS in a group get it in their heads to get into a DPS race), but tanks who overpull can be majorly bad news.

That's a good point. I can't tell you how many times I've grouped with an arrogant paladin who pulls DOZENS of mobs and then complains when the healer can't keep him vertical through all of that.

"It shouldn't be a problem if the healer knows what he's doing--I'm a paladin! Don't you know how to heal, noob? LOL."

Bye-bye, Mister Paladin.

Butts McGee Said:
"I asked him if he was being serious, which he showed by letting me die in the middle of 20 mobs"

I'd have let you die too. And you did die for a "real" reason. You pulled too much.

1. It's possible that he's just using "20" as an example. Like people say, "I pulled a crap load of mobs." We tend to give a bigger number than what actually happens."

OR

2. He could actually have meant 20 in which case he is the idiot...unless they were non-elite mob groups you’re suppose to burn down in one go. It could also have been a bad pull or something else happened that caused that many to converge.


I will tell you this, a good prot-paladin can tank a crap load of mobs if the healer is doing his or her job and keeps the paladin up. I’ve seen it done, in fact I’ve done it before when people mess up a pull and pull more than what they’re suppose to. (Please note that unless it’s a low level instance or something I’m confident that I can handle, I don’t intentionally pull more than one group of mobs. I leave that f**ked up mistake to the hunter.^___^ ) In Kara (pre Wrath btw), it would occasionally happen that our hunter was a moron (or someone stupidly got too close to the wrong group as a pull was going down) and I would have to go in and start AoEing all mobs that pulled. I survived this simply because I kept them off the healers and the healers kept me healed.

If the healers had decided, “Um, no, I’ll let you die.” Then guess what, no matter the number that was pulled, it’s the healers fault for NOT even bothering to try. You’ll be surprised at the stuff that gets done when people ACTUALLY try to do something. Most people are like “That’s too much, we’ll die” when in reality they haven’t even tried yet.

Ever watched a paladin pull with a shield and then when the mobs group up on the paladin who is consecrating there’s always an idiot who tries to sheep in the middle of that? Who would you think is the idiot there? The guy who couldn’t bother to sheep/shackle/banish etc immediately AFTER the pull so that the mob wouldn’t be able to reach the spot where the paladin is spamming consecration, or the paladin who is doing his/her job and keeping the targets fixed on him/her and not the healer?