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by Eliah Hecht 
Jan 3rd 2009 at 6:00PM
Daelo, the lead encounter designer, has dropped a few more details about Ulduar, the tier 8 raid that is coming in patch 3.1 (whenever that happens to be). We heard yesterday that there will be more "hard modes" in the raid, analogous to Sartharion. Today we learn that, again like Sartharion, completing the hard modes will give you not only achievements but also additional, better loot. There is also, apparently, going to be an optional encounter in the raid that will be hard-mode-only; I'm picturing something like Nightbane here.
Furthermore, Ulduar in general, according to the post, will be harder than Naxxramas is. Naxx was tuned easy on purpose, and the devs have been saying for a while that Ulduar will not be that way, to the same extent. The analogy Daelo makes in his post is that if Naxx is "the introduction to raiding 101 class for players who have never raided before," Ulduar is "the second year class." So we won't be hitting a brick wall, but it probably won't be compared to UBRS either like Naxx often is now. Either way, we won't know much for sure until it's up on the PTR, but I'm certainly looking forward to it.
Filed under: Raiding, Wrath of the Lich King, Achievements
Reader Comments (Page 3 of 6)
The Elitist Jerk Jan 4th 2009 8:55AM
I didn't do SSC at that time thanks to my piece of shit full of idiots server, I heard about it though.
Meh @ the casual core. They'll realize they ruined the game with their incessant QQ too late.
AyaJulia Jan 4th 2009 2:44PM
You and EJ need to go play Final Fantasy XI and be the first to clear Pandemonium Warden. Then -maybe- the extremity of your attitudes would be warranted. (Reference: http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/08/pandemonium-war.html )
I mean, am I a little disappointed that our small formerly PvP only guild--not quite big enough to do 25-mans just yet--only raids twice a week because that's all it takes to clear wtfeverything? Yeah. But am I far gladder I don't have to suffer through PuGs who can't handle shackling an add and healing on Moroes? Definitely. It -is- a video game. You're taking it way too seriously.
Clint Jan 5th 2009 10:10AM
These guys are quite conceded and delusional, but I must say as a person who is a -skilled- casual, the game is too easy.
Forget the top guilds, they probably should be able to clear the content within a day; there are only so many tricks Blizz can implement without just over tuning an encounter. But right now it does feel like anyone who raided 25man content in TBC has cleared all the content.
That is a problem.
I really do hope Blizz ramps up the difficulty as they intend to do... I just hope they take more then baby steps in difficulty between tier levels.
Amaxe Jan 4th 2009 8:58AM
So when it comes down to it,
what the whining crybabies... er Hardcore raiders what is to go back to when they were on top and people who could not find the resources to get into a well equipped raiding gear were on the bottom.
Ob-la-di, ob-la-da, life goes on.
Blizzard realized the futility of designing the epic instances that only 0.5% of the game population would ever see.
Face facts people. It doesn't matter how uber-skilled you were. If you didn't have the right guild to carry you, you'd be in the same situation we are, while the haves called you idiot and mouth breather. You would't have the clears or the gear needed to be where you are now.
It's no secret that people who cleared Sunwell were geared for Naxx... they've been saying that since Beta.
But evidently the whiners (aka Hardcore raiders) want a WoW where you needed T6 just to start in Northrend.
Not going to happen. Your time is through. Blizzard wants to make a game that is enjoyed by the most people.
The game is better for that
The Elitist Jerk Jan 4th 2009 9:53AM
"It doesn't matter how uber-skilled you were. If you didn't have the right guild to carry you, you'd be in the same situation we are, while the haves called you idiot and mouth breather. You wouldn't have the clears or the gear needed to be where you are now."
So uber skilled people get carried? Of course you need people to run instances with but the sheer asininity of this comment is beyond human comprehension.
Also bear in mind that good elitist asshole pricks like me never call people idiots because of inferior gear. What you're continuously referring to are over epeened terribads who want to get carried and got carried.
E.G: If a warrior has spirit gear, then he's an idiot and a mouthbreather. If a hunter has Drakkari Hunting Bow, I'd say "heroic UK -->" but I wouldn't call him an idiot.
BTW some of the best skilled people I've seen had blues in TBC while some people in full ilvl213 gear are terrible morons who can't do the simplest of tasks.
Amaxe Jan 4th 2009 10:21AM
You've called people idiot and mouthbreather in the comments.
Ergo, you are Terribad?
Yes you were carried. Perhaps you have some playing skill (no way to tell, and we would have given someone with your attitude the /gkick regardless of what you could personally do). You were carried back when you were learning, and when you screwed up and wiped the raid (it happens to all of us, so don't say it didn't) and they didn't /kick you.
If you were with a mediocre guild, you would be nowhere near the content you claim to do now. Therefore, yes you were carried.
For all your protests, your whining on the forums have been
1) It's too easy now
2) They should make a harder challenge and make the good gear drop from that.
So yes, your own words lead me to believe you're QQing because people who aren't as good by your standards are doing things now that you think they shouldn't be able to do and have gear you don't want them to have.
Pretty pathetic if you ask me.
Keep in mind that when you say:
"Also bear in mind that good elitist asshole pricks like me never call people idiots because of inferior gear."
strike the "good" and you recognize how 99.5% of WoW players view you. Whatever your personal talents at playing the game, we don't care [your attitude is enough I would put you on ignore if you were on my server regardless of what your skill might be], and we would be happier if you left WoW or went to a private server.
So, is it worth it making yourself the most hated person on the forum for a cause neither we nor Blizzard cares about?
The Elitist Jerk Jan 4th 2009 9:38AM
"But evidently the whiners (aka Hardcore raiders) want a WoW where you needed T6 just to start in Northrend."
As I said, please distinguish the good elitists from the terribad idiots who think they're good yet want to get carried.
Also GJ. You whined at 0.5% (where the hell did that crap argument come from anyway) flag so many times blizzard took what possibly was the best raid instance ever and dumbed it down so that a group of untrained monkeys can faceroll.
The Elitist Jerk Jan 4th 2009 9:45AM
"Blizzard wants to make a game that is enjoyed by the most people."
Another idiotic point. When your average idiot "finishes" the game (so to speak, whatever his monkey brain defines as "finish"), he'll move on.
Amaxe Jan 4th 2009 10:34AM
having observed your comments throughout the Ulduar threads, it is clear that your view is (despite your protests to the contrary) "People not as good as us shouldn't be able to do this content"
But keep in mind, that regardless of your skill, you would not be rolling through the content without:
1) A raid group that can tolerate you
2) Gear that you can only get through the help of said gear.
Without that, all your self-proclaimed personal skill is effectively worthless when it comes to clearing 25 man instances.
The second thing I notice from your comments is that your constant insulting remarks ("idiot," "mouth breather," etc) to those you disagree with indicate a person with little maturity and strong self-centered "me-first" attitudes. If WoW is not what you want, you throw a tantrum and complain that "others" are ruining the game for you.
Grow up. WoW wasn't made for "The Elitist Jerk." You are one player among 11 million. Some are better than you, some are worse. They don't have a greater or lesser claim to enjoying WoW based on their skill level.
pantear Jan 4th 2009 12:46PM
QQ MOAR LOLOLOL!!111
The Elitist Jerk Jan 4th 2009 1:56PM
Note I always said 25-man content. I couldn't care less about 10-mans.
Naxx25 shouldn't have been as easy as doing naxx40 at level 70 with 40 men in full t6. (It's that easy)
boronak Jan 4th 2009 10:38AM
@Elistist Jerk
If you want the game to be hard heres an idea. Don't play it for a month on ptr before hand, don't read up on the tactics and know the fight inside out before you even get to it and trying doing it while fitting in with a normal health none game obsessed lifestyle.
And before you go calling me a casual scrub, yes I am a casual but scrub no! I was head hunter in a top guild who killed kj back in july, 2nd pve realm guild to do so in europe I believe.
If you want to get your kicks from been able to walk around on gear 99% of the none elistist pricks, sorry i mean jerks, can't invest the time to get then your gonna spend the rest of your wow career moaning cos blizz said they never gonna do another "sunwell" and kudos to them for finally making the game more about fun. Because the difficuly of muru pre-nerfs was just sick and tbh stopped been fun after the 100th+ wipe
The Elitist Jerk Jan 4th 2009 1:51PM
I never did. Your argument is invalid.
The Elitist Jerk Jan 4th 2009 1:58PM
@ M'uru prenerf comment
I did M'uru prenerf.
I liked: The amount of personal skill required to pull it off. The TPS/DPS/HPS had to be perfect to succeed.
I disliked: The sheer numbers of required DPS/TPS/HPS to pull it off. In my opinion the encounter was slightly too tightly tuned and the negative energy fix (with some incoming raid damage reduction) would make it perfectly tuned.
Juggy Jan 4th 2009 3:19PM
@ Elite players in general
The game evolved get over it.
Insulting what must be north of 75% of the players in this game is plain dumb.
I could type ten pages of why I think your attitude is bad but it’s pointless.
What well all know is that raid content has gotten easier because Blizz can see how many players want to play all the game their monthly subscription pay’s for.
Yes those of you that have more skill and more desire to be elite are fail now that the nerf bat hit your part of the game. I’m sorry that the 15% of the game you are the best at got nerfed. Get over it.
What I feel is the biggest problem is that all players want their version to be the one that gets all the love.
The 11 mill that play WOW have many types of games to play. Elite’s raiders are just one part of the attitude problem. PVP is a whole separate game inside the game for me but I don’t bitch all day about the class changes that effect my PVE experience.
Elites L2P other parts of the game and enjoy or go away.
The Elitist Jerk Jan 4th 2009 1:54PM
"Elites L2P other parts of the game and enjoy or go away."
Elites play all parts of the game and excel at it.
The Elitist Jerk Jan 4th 2009 1:54PM
Oh and 98% of players are retards, so your argument is invalid once more.
Juggy Jan 4th 2009 2:01PM
You really are a special person aren’t you?
God the thought of you not getting what you won’t scares me. How could WOW survive with out your skill and elite abilities.
Oh that’s right us retards don’t care.
SunwellVialist Jan 4th 2009 2:01PM
"I worked my ass off for this item,"
-Stop-
This is what you do not understand.
People who work 9-10 hours a day do not come home to *work* in a
-game- that is supposed to be their downtime, where they can relax.
It is very easy. Those people are the main customers for Blizzard,
and of course they will be the main focus of their development.
You either understand and accept it, or leave for another game,
because, no matter how much you will froth at the mouth, that will
not change, ever again.
EVER. (EVEr...EVer...Ever...ever) (yes, that was an echo effect).
"Oh and 98% of players are retards, so your argument is invalid once more."
Ah, just a troll account.
Damn.
The Elitist Jerk Jan 4th 2009 2:18PM
I think most people have real life obligations that prevent them to play 24/7, I do too. From my personal experience, people who play 24/7 aren't good either.
It's all about how much you care about being good. If you want to drool over the keyboard, I obviously can't prevent that (until I invent a device that allows me to stab people in the face across the Internet); however I will not invite people such as these to my raids.
"You really are a special person aren’t you?"
My mom says so.