Encrypted Text: Patiently awaiting patch 3.0.8
by Chase Christian 
Jan 14th 2009 at 11:00AM
Every Wednesday, Chase Christian of Encrypted Text invites you to enter the world of shadows, as we explore the secrets and mechanics of the Rogue class. This week, we'll discuss the upcoming Rogue changes in patch 3.0.8.According to the SK-Gaming Top 100, Rogues are doing pretty well. Our fraternity of assassins has a solid hold on the coveted #3 slot, behind the insanely dominant Death Knight / Holy Paladin combination. With Druids and Warriors being as powerful as they were in Seasons 3 and 4, seeing them bring up the bottom of the Top 100 representation is the truest indicator of significant balance changes that Wrath brought with it.
Luckily, I feel that Rogues are far stronger than our 10% representation shows. We are poised to absorb the market share that Paladin and Death Knights will be hemorrhaging when the long-awaited patch 3.0.8 comes to right all the wrongs that this team has committed. Four of the top six classes in the SK-100 are being nerfed significantly, with Rogues being the least affected by these changes. After the cut, I'll cover important changes for Rogues in 3.0.8, as well as a few changes that will alter our top opponents as well.
Nerfs (Bug Fixes):
First, let's talk about a few bugs that Blizzard has ironed out. The move to combine Dagger Specialization and Fist Specialization into Close Quarters Combat was one of my favorite changes of 2008. It opened up brand new weapon combinations for Rogues everywhere. However, it left one minor flaw in its wake.
Anyone who had spec'd into Fist Specialization never truly had their talent points refunded, meaning that they still had "5 points" into Fist Spec even after respec'ing. This meant 5% extra crit for any Rogue that had Fist Spec pre-patch, which was pretty awesome for them. However, Blizzard is finally destroying the talent "behind the scenes" and many Rogues will be losing the broken 5% crit they had come to know and love.
The next bug fix (and probably the most notable) came in the correcting of the "HaT bug" which I mentioned last week. When multiple Honor Among Thieves spec'd Rogues are in the same party, they no longer generate multiple combo points per party member crits. This bug will only serve to correct the DPS of exploiters, and in no way reduces the viability of HaT as a whole. Rogues are still topping the meters as Solo HaT (a term which will be obsolete post-patch): It's competitive and pretty fun to play.
Mutilate will also be on the receiving end of a bug fix: It previously had two chances to proc your Off Hand weapon's poison every time you used Mutilate. After this change, Mutilate weapon speed choices will switch AGAIN, to faster Main Hand with Instant Poison and fast Off Hand with Deadly Poison. A quick bit of theorycrafting has this change reducing Mutilate's PvE damage by about 3%, and reducing our potential PvP burst by a minor amount.
PvE DPS:
It won't exactly break the bank, but Rogues have already been trailing damage in many fights to start with. A Blue on the Damage Dealing forums mentioned that with all the other classes being nerfed, Rogues should be improving as our changes were not as severe. This gives me the feeling that Blizzard is satisfied with our current power, and that no sweeping changes are en route for the shadow masters. So continue to hone your current playstyles, we are likely to hold at status quo until something big breaks.
Blizzard did throw us a bone in PvE by removing the cooldown on Fan of Knives, ensuring that all poisons can proc on FoK attacks, and also buffing the damage of FoK when using daggers by about 50%. This will give us a viable AoE option for those fun Naxxramas trash pulls, and will help keep us competitive when it comes to fighting multiple targets. It's also useful in arena situations in which you need to pull an enemy stealth class out of the shadows.
Feint:
While some Rogues have advocated the glyphing and spamming of Feint; every Rogue today will tell you to yank it right off of your action bar. Almost as bad as the old 'Improved Distract', Feint has long been a terrible ability which served no purpose. The fact that a Glyph was created for it shows Blizzard's disconnect from Rogue PvE mechanics. Even in-game NPCs know how bad Feint is for us. If only they had someone knowledgeable calling the shots, we might get a Mutilate or Envenom glyph before Emerald Dream is released.
Rather than scrap the spell entirely, Blizzard decided to add some new flavor. It now reduces all AoE damage taken by 50% for 6 seconds when used. With a cooldown of 10 seconds, it's impossible to keep the effect up at all times. In addition, you must have a target in melee range in order to use Feint. The only possible use for this ability would be on a yet-to-be-discovered encounter in Ulduar where being able to stay on a boss would pull Rogues ahead on DPS.
Or, if you're stuck in Entangling Roots and a Warrior walks over to Bladestorm your face, you could realistically Feint then. Too bad Druids and Warriors are stuck at the bottom of the SK-100. Crafting this new effect for a specific PvE encounter is pretty cheesy, and I hope to be proven wrong be an inventive Rogue who comes up with an awesome idea for it.
Bug Fixes:
The rest of the upcoming changes are mostly housekeeping items on Blizzard's tasklist. Envenom's tooltip will now show the correct values, Killing Spree won't break stealth if there's nobody around, and Turn the Tables won't generate threat. The Turn the Tables change will actually come in handy on some AoE pulls; I would get pulled out stealth and subsequently trained in the Eye Stalk room due to a tank parrying something.
Non-Rogue Changes:
The biggest pair of changes come in the flavor of Retribution Paladin / Beast Mastery Hunter / Unholy Death Knight nerfs and the fundamental change to Crowd Control Dispel Resistance. Retribution Paladins will be doing 50% damage while in their bubbles, and that's about it on Paladin changes. BM Hunters will no longer be able to Beast Within -> Prep... I mean Readiness -> Beast Within, Deterrence is being nerfed to a 5 second frontal cone avoidance tool (and the Hunter is unable to attack), and every spec except Survival is having their shots toned down. Unholy DKs are seeing their on-demand survivability, utility, pets, and damage all gutted. While I feel that Paladins needed more nerfs (specifically Holy), we will see how far Paladin healers are able to go with their favorite two partners being nerfed very significantly. These 3 classes are 3 of our hardest matchups: with them toned down to reasonable levels, Rogues will be stronger than ever.
Blizzard is also removing all Dispel resistance from Crowd Control effects. This means that Vile Poisons will no longer provide dispel resistance for Crippling, Mind-Numbing, and Wound poisons. I will have to wait until 3.0.8 to see how bad this change actually is; and whether or not we'll all be putting Shiv back on our actions bars. However, it does make things easier if you play with a dispel-capable class, making healer + DPS seem more attractive than DPS + DPS. Yet I can't help but think that Paladins will be getting the most out of this change, with their lack of an "Abolish"-type dispel.
Conclusion:
Blizzard is happy with Rogues as a whole, so don't expect a drastic or sweeping change for us any time soon. A few bug fixes and a little bit of a PvE boon are all that we have to look forward to, which is way better than a slew of nerfs and the death of our class. Death Knights, enjoy your time in the spotlight. We will be ready to strike from the shadows when the time is right. Rogues will claim your spot in the SK-100 by spilling the blood of your people, Arthas' former minions, until the arena floor is a coagulating mud pit littered with your corpses.
Filed under: Rogue, Patches, Bugs, (Rogue) Encrypted Text, Wrath of the Lich King
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Stevo Jan 14th 2009 11:16AM
The slightly overpowered classes are getting well-deserved nerfs. They actually aren't nerfing a class that doesn't need it.
Well done Blizz
Stabbotage Jan 14th 2009 11:20AM
I still think we (rogues) need a raid buff to give. Maybe a haste boost or something...I don't know. Just something that everyone can benefit from.
Joyous_Oblivion Jan 14th 2009 11:22AM
Yay, everyone loves Rogues! Lets all have a group hug!
Hey did someone steal my wallet...?
Qpally Jan 14th 2009 11:38AM
I'm interested in what you think would need nerfing on Holy Paladins. The main qq I see about them is mana longevity thanks to Divine Plea, making drain teams much less effective, but it reduces healing done and is dispellable. Mobility is still pretty low, heals are still interruptable, and the only big new trick is Beacon of Light, which doesn't work if we are out of line-o-sight of the beacon.
I would hope that this wouldn't be a jealous-nerf because one class has a particular problem killing Holy Paladins, or because they are now suddenly number one healers instead of dead last in the ranks, as with the last....every season.
Heilig Jan 14th 2009 12:06PM
"Mobility is still pretty low, heals are still interruptable, and the only big new trick is Beacon of Light, which doesn't work if we are out of line-o-sight of the beacon."
This is absurd. Paladins needed increased mobility. This can't be argued. But they needed to nerf our healing effectiveness to compensate, which they didn't do. Holy paladins have become THE dominant healer in 2's again due to Infusion of Light and Beacon. They can simply run around spamming Holy Shock on themselves with beacon on their DK partner, pop an instacast Flash when it procs, and if things get hairy they use their stun to get enough time for a nice 18K Holy Light (x2 due to beacon, of course.) I play as ret and can go in my full PvE DPS gear into an arena and focus fire a holy pally and he never gets below 40%. It is very difficult to drop 20K worth of burst onto a paladin within 6 seconds as ANY class, and if you don't, yyou won't kill him. You also can't FF his DPS partner since his heals are so amazingly large and fast. mana efficiency is still the best around per spellcast, and arena matches right now rarely last long enough for him to even need to pop Divine plea anyway.
TL;DR version: Holy pallies are as mobile as druids with bigger heals, most of which are instacast or almost instacast at this point. Saying they lack mobility is just crazy.
Lemons Jan 14th 2009 12:28PM
Not to mention they've got some sort of Power Word: Shield thing going on as well. They're like a priest on steroids.
Me and my mage partner have only beaten a Holy Pally/DK team once so far. He did an early bubble for some stupid reason (much to our joy), and when he came out we demolished him. I popped my Shadowdance, and my mage buddy got a Hot Streak and finished him with an insta Pyro.
Luckily he looked to be in raid gear. I'd hate to come up against a holy pally with some resil, I don't think he'd ever die.
Celton Jan 14th 2009 11:42AM
Who cares about 2s? Blizzard balances around 5v5.
M Jan 14th 2009 11:43AM
"Blizzard is happy with Rogues as a whole"
That's a misleading statement. They have been saying that Rogue damage is low, and that it should look better in this patch with the other class nerfs. Allow me to emphasize the word "look". That doesn't mean Rogues were buffed, and that doesn't mean they will be where Blizzard wants them, just that everyone should be closer. I didn't see nerfs to some of the classes that I was expecting, so I suspect Rogues will still be low compared to the "utility" they bring to the raid.
The biggest benefit to Rogues in this patch is that the removal of bugs will allow Blizzard (and theorycrafters) the ability to evaluate Rogue performance without a number of bugs skewing the results.
And that is just Assassination. Blizzard has commented multiple times that they're not pleased with Combat.
JLocke Jan 14th 2009 11:44AM
As my main being a rogue, guess I can say these small tweaks are pleasing, wish theyd buff us just a lil more :)
Eversor Jan 14th 2009 11:55AM
With your avatar and nickname, you were supposed to play a survival hunter, damnit!
Arkeband Jan 14th 2009 11:48AM
I think you should give the feint change the benefit of the doubt - there are a lot of fights that it can come in handy for in the future, as well as some fights right now (Loken), and even past fights.(Remember Void Reaver? That would have been so lovely for that...)
Either way, it does make feint somewhat useful, even if it's not an on-demand 50% aoe damage mitigate.
Saithir Jan 14th 2009 12:11PM
I thought about Archavon and his clouds and spikes, when he hits someone else with them and they run mindlessly in a circle.
Still, am I going to put it on my action bar, and better yet, use it once in a while? It's not really guaranteed...
Lemons Jan 14th 2009 12:49PM
I think a good rogue uses everything at his disposal, at least when the time is right. I can practically see it in a warrior's face when he's ready to Bladestorm, and if I have no other method of escape it'd be funny to evasion + feint, and see how much damage he'd do..
stqn Jan 20th 2009 8:05AM
I often use Feint to reduce my aggro in 5-man instances. It depends on the tank (and fight) but sometimes my aggro is dangerously close to that of the tank...
Not "every rogue" in this game exclusively play in raids and/or PvP.
Phil Jan 14th 2009 11:56AM
Awesome Metal Gear Solid image.
Chris Jan 14th 2009 12:12PM
I think rogue PVP is more then fine.
PVE is lacking, but PVP....thats a different story.
jerzz80 Jan 14th 2009 12:08PM
I like what i hear. I agree that Pallys need to be nerfed way more then hunters do.
Interested to see how much FoK will changes.
erin Jan 14th 2009 12:15PM
"Death Knights, enjoy your time in the spotlight. We will be ready to strike from the shadows when the time is right. Rogues will claim your spot in the SK-100 by spilling the blood of your people, Arthas' former minions, until the arena floor is a coagulating mud pit littered with your corpses."
Bring it on :D
PeterNorth Jan 14th 2009 12:50PM
"It's competitive and pretty fun to play."
spamming eviscerate for 6 minutes is fun to play? my rogue used to be my main, but i dropped him to the bottom of my alt list when such a broken spec became top dog.
skill class requires skill.
Saranus Jan 14th 2009 1:13PM
As my main is a rogue, and has been for some time, it is nice to see that blizzard realizes that the damage output of some of the only classes that can out dps me at the moment need to come down. I know some paladins and dk's are gonna cry with this nerf, but we all took it in the class at one time or another. I wonder if the damage nerf will bring some of the over-populated DKs back to the classes they played before they found their unholy gods.