Dual specs and the importance (or not) of saving gold
While reading through comments on the site the other day,* I stopped at Drak's on a recent Breakfast Topic and had to think for a bit. In defense of pure classes' concerns with the upcoming dual spec system, Drak wrote that we were weighing class functionality against hybrids' desire to save gold, and that the two concerns were by no means equal. I'm still convinced that pure classes stand to gain a lot more from dual specs than they'll lose, principally in the form a lot more tank and healer availability, but it's an interesting point. How much gold do you really need to get by? Does the idea of having to spend a lot more of it, or having to spend more time getting it, on a particular class or spec make that character less fun to play, and has that played a role peoples' unwillingness to tank and heal?
Again, for the purpose of this discussion I'm considering pure classes to be Hunters, Mages, Warlocks, and Rogues, as everyone else can respec to do different roles.
At first, it doesn't seem like the question merits a lengthy answer. "Take what you're spending per week, divide it by 7, and then do dailies until you've got it covered" would be a terse and accurate means of responding to it, but personally I do think a certain amount of the issue's driving the debate over dual specs.
A hybrid who constantly respecs without recourse to outside assistance is someone who has to spend a lot more time in the game to make the same amount of gold as someone who doesn't have to respec frequently (if at all). And "So don't respec if you don't want to," isn't always a good answer, not with the legions of impatient people in LFG. We can't simultaneously acknowledge the healer shortage but scoff at the people who respec to cover it -- and I don't think we should lose sight of the fact that people in healing and tanking specs don't quest or grind as efficiently as a DPS spec, further compounding the problem.**
The conclusion seems pretty straightforward; a hybrid who respecs a lot, or who is constantly specced for tanking or healing over damage, is virtually obligated to play the game less casually than a pure DPS if they want to stay on comparable financial ground. I think this does play a role in how many people want to tank or heal, or can if their playtime is limited -- and that necessarily bleeds into the chronic tank and healer shortage.
But a pragmatist would opine that as long as you've got enough to cover the game's true necessities -- repairs, food/water, reagents, and a basic flying mount -- everything else is gravy. Making gold in the game shouldn't have to be a goal in and of itself, right?
A smarter pragmatist would belt the first pragmatist in the chops and ask him why he didn't save some gold toward an epic flyer, decent enchants, and the kind of gear that'll keep deaths and downtime to a minimum. A hybrid pragmatist would stifle a bitter laugh, and then double or triple the smart pragmatist's figures on enchant and gear costs in order to cover a tanking set, a healing set, or quite possibly both. With a minimal amount of effort, every player in the game should easily cover their living expenses with gold left over to bank. But while writing this, it's hard not to remember the 1,400g I dropped on gems and enchants for my Resto set, and the week I spent 700g on respecs. If I were still saving for my epic flyer or another big expense, that would have been a pretty demoralizing experience. I consider it a great privilege to be able to respec to do something else on my Druid -- but I think it's also easy to underestimate both the high cost of said privilege and the time it takes to learn how to play each spec effectively.
*Yes, we do actually read our comments, although I have had to downsize the cabana boy who was until recently employed in reading them aloud to me while making crépes. Such are the troubled times in which we live.
**Feral Druids and Death Knights obviously have a much easier time with this.
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Classes, Making money






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 7)
Olilai Jan 19th 2009 3:05PM
There are easy ways to make gold at 80. Run dailies, run undead statholme for kicks (and maybe a nice mount).
I run undead stratholme once a day and I pocket a ton and barely take a dent on my armor.
Soatari Jan 19th 2009 6:51PM
Making money was covered in the post. The point wasn't that there weren't ways to make money, the point is that hybrids need to spend more time making money that others to keep up with respec costs on top of other costs.
This is all in defense of the dual specs option, which I heartily embrace with open arms.
Clevins Jan 19th 2009 3:31PM
Respec costs aren't that big of a deal unless you're doing it multiple times per week.
If you respec once a week and then spec back, your gold for that week is 100g. BFD. You'll spend far more enchanting/gemming a second set of gear. Even that isn't much though - most enchanting mats can be gotten via DEing greens (not an enchanter? Make some friends....). Gems? Green gems are fine for an offset that's changing a lot. Blue gems are a bit pricey, but are only going to be used in gear that's epic, so it's more of a one time cost.
This feature would have made more sense in TBC actually, when a lot of tank classes couldn't do reasonable dps as tank spec and could have used a low cost option to switch to dps. IN fact, I think this will be the nicest thing about dual specs if they aren't limited to 80s - you can level as a dps spec then respec on the fly and pop into an instance to tank or heal.
The issue for pure dps classes is that, aside from alternative specs for PvE and PvP, the benefit is minimal to them.
Leejin Jan 19th 2009 4:30PM
"Embrace with open arms.." ???? LOL.
I heart oxymorons...
akw Jan 19th 2009 4:38PM
"The issue for pure dps classes is that, aside from alternative specs for PvE and PvP, the benefit is minimal to them. "
That's an issue??
4 of 10 classes won't benefit as enormously as the other 6, but there will still be a benefit. What are people complaining about FFS?
Schadow Jan 19th 2009 5:21PM
@Clevins:
I actually think there is a LOT of merit to the notion that pure DPS classes will find a flow-on benefit from dual spec in the form of more healers and tanks available.
My main is a pally tank. I tank normal and heroic raids and have very nice gear. I also maintain (by which I mean fully maintain - gems, enchants, everything as good as it can be) a healing set.
In the wee hours of the morning, someone is always looking for a tank or a healer. it just happens to be that when I am specced tank, everyone wants healers, and when I am specced healer, everyone wants tanks.
It's no small thing to respec. It's annoying to have to burn my hearth to get back from respeccing, it's annoying to re-glyph, and it's annoying to re-set action bars.
If I could have two specs to swap in and out of, you would see me healing when healers are needed, and tanking when tanks are needed.
I am off server time, and I gave up playing my DPS toon as my main because of the difficulty getting instances in my main play time. As a tank I can usually find work.
And finally, there is the simple numbers game. Let's say a guild has 2 teams for Naxx 10. They want to move to Naxx25. Each of their Naxx10 groups has 2 tanks, 2-3 healers, and 5-6 DPS.
If possible, you don't want to PuG tanks and healers - you'd rather stick with your known-good players. DPS is not as critical, and you can carry more of them with good tanks and heals. And, DPS is a heck of a lot easier to pug than heals.
Wouldn't it be great to turn one of those extra tanks into a reliable healer for your 25 team? Awesome for the raid, kinda sucky for the tank/healer who has to respec all the time.
With dual spec you won't be tempted to run with 4 tanks to keep them all happy. One of them will happily swap because it's not so much a pain in the butt and bank account. So there's one more DPS spot opened up in the raid.
Maybe you're the go-to DPS for your guild. You're in high demand so you never have to pug anything and there is always a raid spot saved for you. Then you get nothing at all from dual-spec except for an easier PvE/PvP swap. But if you do pug, or are on the fringes of your raid group, dual spec will benefit you.
Zeplar Jan 19th 2009 6:20PM
I typically respec about 3 times... per day.
Start out moonkin so I can do dailies and PVP. Switch to resto for heroics. Switch to feral for raids. Switch back to moonkin for dailies the next day.
One thing that has helped a LOT, that I haven't seen WoWInsider acknowledge, is that there are a lot of dailies, like the Ebon Blade and Wyrmrest ones for example, involving riding a vehicle. And what people miss about these is, you can do them as a healer, without penalty. Since I figured that out, I always do the ebon blade daily, kill stuff on gryphon, loot it, reanimate it, 3 dailies done as resto in the same amount of time as a moonkin.
Jane Gray Jan 20th 2009 11:37AM
I'd say its more of a BFD for arenaing. Lots of people have set raid times, but just squeeze in their arenas whenever they can. I'd rather not have my arena team do worse than it could because magex just doesn't feel like respeccing for the fifth time that week (or for myself, choosing to sit out a raid that my friend wants me to heal because it would mean spending 100 gold to swap out and back for arenas that night)
Unittwo Feb 11th 2009 4:28PM
I'm an epiced t7.5 enhance shaman. I have an epic Healing set... guess who is the healing bitch? ... me. guess who spends at least 500gold a week on respecs... 500 gold actually isnt even close, i spend like 1k gold a week on respecs, so some of you people need to not say "BFD" or "its easy to make gold", yeah its easy to make gold, but respecin is what all of my gold goes tword, that and getting all the best enchants. I currently have 50 gold no my to cover repairs, and when my auctions sell ill be set for like 3 more days of raiding respecs. OH AND... I dont just have "an enhance" spec, i have a farming spec, a raiding spec, and a pvp spec... so depending on what i wanna do thats alot of gold.
dreadpiraterose Jan 19th 2009 3:06PM
I know many in our guild are looking forward to the dual specs, namely our Druid healer and Priest healer. When they are grinding rep, or when we go to do a 5-man and only need one healer, it would be great to just switch.
As a fire mage who doesn't PVP, the whole dual spec thing doesn't really impact me much. I have only had the need to be frost so few times that the cost to respec hasn't been a burden.
I do feel for the Druids and other hybrid classes out there, for sure. Bring on the dual specs I say!
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Sarius Jan 19th 2009 4:14PM
I'd actually say as a mage I'm really looking forward to duel-spec. Given that I am frosty, scrapping out every bit of DPS for a primary frostbolt based spec, is important to remain viable in a raid group.
Sadly, the necessities in talenting and glyphs to become a frost raider remove the powers of the frost tree for soloing/grinding/farming unavailable (for example dropping the slow on the Glyph of Frostbolt, removing Improved Blizzard and getting rid of the Shatter/Frost Nova on Improved Ice Barrier). Also, if I did wanna PvP I'd of course want all these talents too.
I can now solo with ease, PvP if I ever desire and be a good raider (without horrible DPS numbers) and save some gold. Win-win here too.
Sarius
Flashalas Jan 19th 2009 3:07PM
Is it just me, or does Allison consistently write far and away the best and most insightful articles on this site?
Allison Robert Jan 19th 2009 3:09PM
It's just you. :)
Jezzlez Jan 19th 2009 3:13PM
Hear hear!
I agree there; I always enjoy reading them.
Kakistocracy Jan 19th 2009 3:17PM
Aggreed, the idea of a hybrid pragmatist fascinates me. I like to think of it as half pragmatist, half monist, but imagine a solipsist, metaphysician hybrid (okay, that last one isn't necessarily so far off,I'm looking at you Descartes).
kryonik Jan 19th 2009 3:38PM
I can't really remember reading her other articles, but this one seems to boil down to "some people like it, others don't".
Not really all that insightful if you ask me.
Maybe I'm just cynical.
Firestride Jan 19th 2009 4:12PM
I agree, and complimented an earlier article this week.
It seems like all the other writers are summarizing upcoming patch notes that MMO-Champion put up two days ago or alternating between telling us how easy raiding is and how to gear up for Heroic 5-mans.
Kassu Jan 19th 2009 4:35PM
Generally, I would agree, but not today.
Pure classes still stand to gain a lot, respeccing between PVP and PVE is no small deal..
Grubba Jan 19th 2009 6:47PM
It's not just you; she's one of the better writers and analysts here.
Rialyn Jan 20th 2009 12:48PM
I hapen to agree, Flashalas, so its not just you!