Ask a Lore Nerd: More Scourge love

We seem to be plagued with Scourge and Lich King sorts of questions lately, but that's to be expected. We're all playing Wrath of the Lich King, so it's far more likely we'll get Scourge questions than, say... Naga questions. I welcome your love of undeath with open arms.
Nic asked...
What do the tally marks on Highlord Bolvar's shield represent? Battles? Years in exile? One night stands? Or are they there to just look cool?
This answer is going to disappoint you, just like it disappointed me: They're only there to look cool. The tally marks aren't just on Bolvar's shield, they're built right onto that shield model. Every player who acquired the Grand Marshal's Aegis back in the day has those tally marks. It's nothing exclusive to Bolvar, as much as I wish they were. If you go check out the Grand Marshal's Aegis on Wowhead and click the View in 3D button, you can see the tally marks. Or just in the screenshot above, I suppose, which I picked up from Wowhead so you should give them a little thank-you traffic.
draeth asked...
Where does Naxxramas play a role in Arthas' whole plot? It's a Pre-BC raid correct?
Also, what new bosses can we expect to fight before the end all battle with the Lich King himself? I am assuming he will have a bunch of bad ass henchmen we will have to clear before getting a shot at killing him, right?
Naxxramas is basically a floating assault base. Load up the troops, fly them over to your battlefield of choice, and you instantly have a forward base camp right in enemy territory, where otherwise you'd need to bite and claw for every single inch. Acherus is a similar structure, and look how that went. The Scourge didn't need to try and go through the front gates into the Scarlet stronghold, they just flew in from behind. Instant access to the Scarlet Crusade's inner haven.
Naxxramas was originally ruling over and reinforcing the Eastern Plaguelands, but we adventurers managed to infiltrate and topple the citadel. Unfortunately, a traitorous dog in the Argent Dawn screwed us over, so Naxxramas flies again. This time around, it looks like Naxxramas is meant to be defending the Wrath Gate (the only ground level access to Icecrown) and the Alliance is keeping it busy.
As far as what bosses we'll be seeing in Icecrown before Arthas... who knows? We know we'll be fighting Sindragosa, the Frost Wyrm from the Wrath cinematic. I'm willing to bet we'll see something with Saurfang Jr. and Highlord Bolvar, but that's just speculation. We don't know much about what's coming in Icecrown.
Glokclock asked...
Okay so I'm just now figuring out lore and all that, are the outlands where the orcs are from? Draenor I believe it was called? If not, what are the outlands, a prison for all the threats against Azeroth?
Yeah, Outland is where the Orcs are from, and it's otherwise known as Draenor. The Draenei also lived there for quite awhile, but they're not natives. They gave it the name 'Draenor' but they haven't always lived there.
It might seem like a prison for threats against Azeroth, but that's just what sort of happened on that planet. It was a fine and dandy place before, but it's just full of bad things nowadays. We did get rid of the Illidari and Illidan's lackies, so things should be a little better there for awhile. At least, until the Burning Legion decides to move in again while we're busy dealing with other problems, like the Lich King.
Davide asked...
So, for the sake of conversation, lets say we kill Arthas. What happens to all the Scourge afterwards? Do they all drop down dead, or end up like the Forsaken?
Also, what do you think the Ebon Blade will do once the loot has been handed out?
We don't know the answer to either of these, but they are pretty good conversation starters. It's a possibility that the Scourge will just be broken and slowly picked apart once their driving force is removed... but who knows it destroying Arthas's body will be the end of the Lich King? Who says destroying the armor will be the end of Ner'zhul? We don't actually know.
Maybe shattering the armor will just release Ner'zhul from his shackles, and he'll move on to a new host and the entire Northrend war effort will have been trivialized. Oh sure, we wiped out a ton of the Scourge, but did it really change anything?
As for the Ebon Blade... we don't really know what they want, beyond vengeance. Hell, maybe they think the whole 'life in undeath' thing is a pretty good idea but they just don't want to be pawns to some overlord guy. I find that unlikely, but who knows? Maybe we'll be saying 'Darion' or even 'Tirion' when we refer to the Lich King after this expansion.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 4)
XTensuX Feb 1st 2009 5:11PM
for the last question, i belive that we might get a kind of "soul trapping" device. or maybe that the ashbringer can erdaicate nerzul/arthas soul
rosencratz Feb 2nd 2009 6:46AM
Who you gonna call?
Ghostbusters!!!
Codexx Feb 1st 2009 5:19PM
Here's a question: Draenor was a planet. The area known as Outland was the coastal region blocked in by mountains where the orc clans lived. What happened to the rest of the planet, is there a chance to go there in the future, and do we know what lived there?
ROB13 Feb 1st 2009 5:28PM
The rest of Outland was destroyed when Ner'zul opened up more and more Dark Portals, which overtime ripped the planets magic "core" and shattered the rest of Outland into nothing. As for what lived there, no one really knows.
Feoremar Feb 1st 2009 5:39PM
Well, there was an island on the map labelled as Deathwing's Lair. It's entirely possible that once be gains an actual presence in the world, that place may be implemeneted a-la Isle of Quel'Danas.
Exploring other fragments of Draenor seems like it could be really interesting though. Learn more about the Gronn, Arrakoa, maybe some other secluded races, other Legion forces.
Suzaku Feb 2nd 2009 4:31AM
The Netherstorm used to be the Fields of Farahlon. The Brokenrock Mountains used to be west/north west of Zangarmarsh, but they're destroyed now. Nothing beyond that has been detailed or mapped, to my knowledge.
If Draneor was anything like Azeroth, it was probably just a single continent, with present Outland more or less representing the Eastern half. Azeroth only has multiple contintents because of the Sundering.
Deathwing's Lair was located on an island directly to the East of Hellfire. If you look at the Outland map, you can actually see what I personally believe to be a rough outline of it (though it may be nothing more than vapors or energy, I like to think it might serve an Isle of Quel'danas-esque purpose somewhere down the line).
Codexx Feb 3rd 2009 5:17AM
At least one map I've seen has shown it's probably one big Pangea, and if I recall correctly, the entire western portion of what is now Outland was a mountain range.
gearwhizz Feb 1st 2009 5:27PM
The Scarlet's have a new class of Raven Priests who carry Terrok's Shadowstaff, cast shadowy magic and are accpompanied by flocks of birds; is there any other connections between them and the Skettis, is it a red herring or should I wait and see?
Nathanyel Feb 1st 2009 8:10PM
Nah, they're just the Scarlets' version of a shadow priest, however unlikely that sounds, but probably was enforced by 'Grand Admiral Westwind', who is corrupting them.
The ravens refer to real-world beliefs that ravens have a connection to death/the afterlife
boo Feb 1st 2009 5:27PM
When we kill Arthas, a message in blocky, pixel-y allcaps will appear on the screen, reading:
YOU HAVE DEFEATED THE WORLD OF WARCRAFT.
A WINNER IS YOU
CREDITS: ...
and while this scrolls slowly, a three-voice 8-bit rendition of the main theme plays, and your character holds up the Triforce. After this nothing happens, you'll actually have to restart your computer.
Hansbo Feb 1st 2009 5:34PM
You, sir, are my hero!
Meeo Feb 1st 2009 5:35PM
10/10
Alanid Feb 1st 2009 5:36PM
Oh gawd i lol'd
Thiosion Feb 1st 2009 6:26PM
Have my babies.
slartibart Feb 2nd 2009 12:43AM
But after that if you reroll a toon with a specific name, you get access to all new dungeons with different maps.
joerendous Feb 2nd 2009 3:28AM
then you create a reroll a character with the name JUSTINBAILEY and start at lvl 55, first aid at 300, and decked out in blues.
Lastgaurdian Feb 2nd 2009 2:30PM
Who was the Warlock Mograine killed to get the crystal that made Ashbringer? What was so special about this crystal, it must have been someone substantial if this crystal had so much un-tapped power, if not then why did we not loot all our corpses in the second war and have Mograine make more ashringer weapons? Because as we see with Tirion and Darion the Ashbringer does not have to follow the family name, therefore warriors of the light should have the power to have one made by Alexandros.
Timoteo Feb 1st 2009 5:42PM
Some of the speculation to the origin of the crystal is that it is actually a dead Naaru. Part of their life cycles include a time of darkness or void, as can be seen in the Sunwell. Similar events happened when Muru rekindled the Sunwell and when Morgraine touched the purified crystal.
Timoteo Feb 1st 2009 5:37PM
Sadly, no emblem has been added for the Exodar on the shield.
As for the Raven Priest connection, if you complete the Ebon Blade quest chain in Icecrown, you'll see where they most likely come from.
Dinosoar Feb 1st 2009 5:40PM
Are the Knights of the Ebon Blade evil? The dialouge between Tirion and the Ebon Watcher (I won't say who he really is so as not to spoil it for anyone who hasn't been to Icecrown yet and reads these comments) seems to imply that they at least have a rather strong hatred of the holy light, which does send up some warning flags about them, as so far all light hating races have been evil. (I don't think the Orcs, Tauren and Gnomes hate the light, they respect it but don't have any connection with it.)