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2-05-2009 @ 1:11PM
So if i remember correctly when i first bought this game and rolled a shaman. Jack of all trades. When did druid become shaman? and why on earth do they need to do everything?
2-05-2009 @ 2:15PM
...th....that's a joke, right, xb? O_o You're...asking when the shapeshifting hybrid class became a hybrid?
2-05-2009 @ 1:19PM
Uh, Shamans can tank now? Since when?
2-05-2009 @ 1:35PM
Whaa?? Druids have ALWAYS been the true jack-of-all-trades class. Since when was a shaman EVER a truly good tank?
2-05-2009 @ 1:37PM
shamans never tanked well like druids and mostly pre tbc druids have always been the "WeCanDoEverythingButNeverShine" kind of class
2-05-2009 @ 1:41PM
While I disagree with the QQ aspect of this comment, there is a definite note of concern that no one ever addresses, especially in PvP. A healer being able to instantly throw on plate armor when he is focused is nuts. A caster (already in plate) being able to stealth out and stun someone for an opener is crazy OP in PvP.It doesn't fit from a lore standpoint either. Druids weren't crazy multi-form shapeshifters like they are today. They were fully attuned to the spirit of ONE creature. Druids of the Claw turned into bears, Druids of the Talon turned into Ravens, Druids of the Fang turned into snakes, etc.IMO, druids should have to make a choice on forms around level 40. At that point you have had enough time to decide what you want to be. Tree of Life, Moonkin form, Dire bear, and cat form should all be talents that buff you significantly when you're shifted (which druids already are) and lock you out of any other forms except travel form. You can shift into your chosen form or cheetah out, but that's it. No more going from cat to tree to bear as needed in PvP. If you want the buff that comes from being a moonkin, a tree, a cat (which would need a new dire cat form or something), or a bear, you have to forego the other forms. All the other classes have to choose their role and accept the penalties that come along with it. Druids don't really have to make that choice, at least not to the same extent the other classes do.
Like everyone else is saying: druids have ALWAYS been the jack-of-all-trades class. Since when? Since day 1. Why did you ever think that of Shamans? They've NEVER held that distinction.
2-05-2009 @ 2:23PM
To Heilig:"IMO, druids should have to make a choice on forms around level 40. At that point you have had enough time to decide what you want to be. Tree of Life, Moonkin form, Dire bear, and cat form should all be talents that buff you significantly when you're shifted (which druids already are) and lock you out of any other forms except travel form. You can shift into your chosen form or cheetah out, but that's it. No more going from cat to tree to bear as needed in PvP. If you want the buff that comes from being a moonkin, a tree, a cat (which would need a new dire cat form or something), or a bear, you have to forego the other forms."This seems a bit too much, you complain about shifting into bear in PvP and shifting to travel and tree and play all those roles to its full potential. Are you mentally ill? Druids who are healers in PvP can heal exceptionally well due to not having to stand there and cast, but guess what! Dk's can take away our HoTs! Druids who heal in PvP can stun you for a short period but will not do a great amount of damage during that time since they have spell power gear and not ap, so the stun is nothing more than annoying. People who are feral and PvP have very low mana and cannot shift and heal themselves without running out of mana really fast. As for choosing one form and only one form is completely ridiculous. Take away a druids forms and what is left? A tank who can only dodge but has a lot of health?, might as well just bring a warrior since all you can do is tank since you chose to be a bear and nothing else. If you choose to be a cat you are pretty much a sub-par rogue. If you choose to be a tree all you can do is heal and thats it? since you restrict the moonkin spells to moonkin form. Yeah druids need their forms since that is what makes them worth while in raids, being able to tank and put out some form of dps. DRUIDS NEED ALL OF THEIR FORMS end of story." All the other classes have to choose their role and accept the penalties that come along with it. Druids don't really have to make that choice, at least not to the same extent the other classes do."Really? Druids dont have to worry about choosing their role? There are no consequences when druids choose a certain role? Non at all? Yeah I dont think so, druids that are spec to tank can tank well and put out sub-par dps, much like a prot warrior trying to dps. Moonkins can dps and heal a litle bit if needed but those heals are extremely weak and in no way can be counted upon if the healer die. Trees can heal, they can do dps but it would be extremely laughable. What is that I see? Druids having penalities for choosing a certain role? OMG like no wai! And yes druids take the same penalties the other classes have to do and yes to the same extent. Overall know a little something about the class before you attempt to come up with completely idiotic ideas that will "balance" the class to your needs because you do not know how to play your class. Yes skilled players can kill druids in PvP and unskilled players will not, am i safe in assuming that you are the unskilled player who is QQing about not being able to kill them? Yeah I thought you were.
2-05-2009 @ 2:44PM
2-05-2009 @ 3:51PM
I suppose you think Warriors should pick ONE stance at level 40 and lose access to their other stances too, eh?
2-05-2009 @ 4:05PM
"A healer being able to instantly throw on plate armor when he is focused is nuts. A caster (already in plate) being able to stealth out and stun someone for an opener is crazy OP in PvP."You make it sound like ALL druids do this. Wouldn't you prefer this than a feral druid doing massive damage then turning into a tree and healing? Or a cat bursting on you then blasting you down from range as a boomkin?We do choose forms and resto druids are not nearly what they used to be. And if you think it's bad that a resto druid can shift into a form that has plat on, then QQ more about Pallys that have plate on AND a shield all the time, kthxbye.
2-05-2009 @ 4:40PM
Wow Helig, I didn't know that someone could be so incomprehensible ignorant of another class. You might as well be talking about how rogues are too good at healing or warriors do too much spell damage.
2-05-2009 @ 5:23PM
To Heilig:You have clearly never fully leveled a Druid and tried differing talent specs. As a resto Druid shifting into Dire Bear is not like tossing on Plate all of a sudden. Dire Bear for a resto or balance Druid does not suddenly turn me into a viable Tank. It is more like putting up a Priest's PW:S to reduce incoming MELEE damage (emphasis on melee as armor only mitigates physical damage) when running away from unwanted or unmanageable aggro. Effectiveness in forms is largely spec and gear defendant. To be remotely effective in bear or cat you need to wear Rogue leathers, not caster leathers required for balance or resto specced Druids. Note also that to heal ourselves we can only be in our standard race form or in Tree of Life form. To cast balance damage spells the druid can only be in standard race form or Boomkin form. The Boomkin and Tree of life forms are part of their respective talent trees and require deep enough commitment that they do not allow very much cross-over utility if multi-speccing with another talent tree (i.e. restokin).In the future please try to garner a full and complete understanding of a class before commenting on it. Just cause when you PvP the "kitty says BOOM" and you roll over and die does not mean that Druids are OP. Learn to play your class and get some better gear while you are at it. If you want to QQ about healers that are hard to kill then QQ about the healer class that ACTUALLY WEARS PLATE!~Elzreth:Staghelm
2-05-2009 @ 5:38PM
wow dude, everything? you deffently don't have a feral druid if you think they get everything, for starters you have three choices Melee, dps spell, healing, you can not do all three at the same time (which somepeople do) and another thing, feral druids used to stink before wrath, we were no better off then palidens, sure we got a buff like they did but they got MEGA buffed while we got to meh status. and most people that roll druids can't even get past lvl 20 because its to hard for them Feral druids have come a long way but they are still lacking things that allows a lot of other classes to kick there tail in pvp and take there places in pve (more the pvp though) Just because we can dps and take damage for tanking dosn't mean we have everything, only a skilled druid tank (but hey if you get your druid to 80 you generaly are skilled by then) to tank mutliple mobs and such. AND further more we can NOT take damage and deal it at the same time. when in cat you deal damage but you don't have very much health and armor to take damage while in bear we take damage but we don't do all that damage.So plz dont' say we have EVERYthing because we don't and it makes me sick to my stomach when people say things like that.
2-08-2009 @ 12:56AM
Haha... shaman...Shaman tank?No...Druids can do everything Shams can, but better, and they can tank.Druids are THE hybrid class.Their heals are absolute necessities in raids.They make excellent tanks.And they can choose which flavor of dps to deal out.I love my druid.Not to say Shamans aren't important and versatile, just not as versatile.
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