Alternatives to WoWJutsu
It's very, very rare that pioneers are actually the best at what they do. They have great ideas, and those ideas revolutionize their field... but they're just ideas, concepts. It's not long before someone else improves those initial concepts and makes them the new standard. This more or less describes the situation around WoWJutsu.WoWJutsu was once the number one guild ranking website, tracking progression, boss kills and all of that great stuff. Unfortunately, it hasn't kept up with the times. WoWJutsu's tracking relies on the Armory, crawling the whole thing and using gear that characters have equipped to determine progress. In order for your guild's Malygos kill to be marked down, members of your guild need to have Malygos drops on their Armory profile. This is the only way, as far as I know, that WoWJutsu will list your kill.
What does that mean? Well, it implies that guild progression isn't tracked properly at all. The first guild on a server to clear all of the content can easily come in third or fourth or twelfth on the ranking list. If your armory page doesn't update right away, that alone is going to throw your guild's progression record off. As minor as it may seem, it actually has some bad side effects, specifically when it comes to recruitment. If you claim your guild has cleared the hardest content in the game when you're looking for applicants, and people check WoWJutsu to make sure you're not making false claims... well, WoWJutsu's inaccuracies could imply that you're lying, when you're not at all. It's damaging.
As WoW has evolved and the Armory has been updated, other tools have become available to circumvent these problems, and WoWJutsu (which does still bear the Beta banner) hasn't picked up on them yet. WoWJutsu's problems aren't neccessarily from poor design, however. It was a good design for when it launched. It was useful, and despite its inaccuracy, it was the best we had and the best we could do. The issue is that it simply hasn't kept up with the times. Better tools are available now, and WoWJutsu doesn't use them as well as other sites do. WoWJutsu was the pioneer, but others are taking the concept to the next level.
WoW's own Achievements single-handedly fix most of these issues- not only do achievements very clearly state whether someone has cleared a bit of content or not, it also comes with a date. Sure, there are oddities sometimes (like the mystery twink), but it's a far more accurate way of gauging progression. No worrying about logging out in the right gear or anything like that. Even if your armory profile fails to update for some reason, that issue can be corrected as soon as it does update. Your achievement is dated. It is a very efficient way for Blizzard to use it's own system to track progress, even if it isn't for overall ranking.
So what are some other alternatives to WoWJutsu? WoWProgress is a popular choice. In my experiences, it's much more accurate than WoWJutsu but still gets nailed with errors here and there. For one reason or another, a few servers are a huge mess and their progression ranking is out of order, but most of them are fine. WoWProgress also loses some points for its lack of aesthetic flair, but that might be a plus for some people- it's a very simple layout. The site also uses a scoring system rather than just a kill tracking system, so if you like that kind of thing, it's what you want.
A lot of people swear by WoWProgress, so I say give it a try.
My personal favorite is currently GuildOx. It doesn't seem like it has nearly the userbase that WoWJutsu and WoWProgress do, but I could be wrong on that. GuildOx lays out how it works very clearly on their About page, and though its rules are a little unfriendly to raid alliances, it's unlikely that you'll find a site that isn't. Raid alliances are very difficult to track, and they're sort of rare. I'm in one myself, but all of our allied guilds actually fit their rules just fine. We all have at least 20 members in our guilds, which is the bare minimum. Of course, this also futzes up the ranking system a little bit, but that's an issue that all similar sites run into. There's no escaping it with an automated ranking system.
That's my preference, but I have no doubt that some of you have suggestions of your own, and I'd be happy to hear them. I think the rest of the community would as well. At this point, I kind of want to call WoWJutsu the Thottbot of guild ranking sites. Sure, it was great when it was the first, but Wowhead and WoWDB totally blew it away and continue to do so. Hopefully WoWJutsu receives an overhaul and becomes among the best again, but right now it's best to look to the alternatives.
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Ranking, Fan stuff, Raiding






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Aaron Feb 6th 2009 9:07AM
WowJutsu is rubbish, despite our guild carrying loot from all current 25 man content in WOTLK, it still fails to be listed on the WowJustu realm list, despite my attempts at manually adding players from our guild at http://www.wowjutsu.com/queue/add.php to get it indexed 2 weeks ago but still doesn't do a thing.
Posi Feb 6th 2009 2:29PM
Agreed. WowJutsu is no longer an accurate or reliable source for guild progression. It's loot based system is archaic in nature. Now that achievements are available through the armory, a lookup of those should be used for guild progression. It's really sad seeing guilds who had 2 members pug into a boss kill get credit while other guilds who completed full guild runs but received gear that was BOE or T7 not credited. We need a source that polls armory achievements now! The information is there for someone to put together a truly comprehensive website to track this information correctly, and tons of WoW players looking for a better source.
ChiperSoft Feb 6th 2009 10:52PM
Two weeks ago it was broken. There were about 10 days where the queue wasn't processing and just kept getting bigger and bigger.
But yes, it is largely rubbish.
chaos spawn Feb 6th 2009 9:14AM
of course given that you can now just armory up achievements for raids, I really don't rely on such sites. I'm hoping that a site gets smart enough to do that, in a way easier than just searching a guild's armory page, especially finding which guilds got the realm first achievements.
Flackbash Feb 6th 2009 9:21AM
WoWJutsu uses achievements now, and is very accurate.
Richard Feb 6th 2009 11:25AM
They may use achievements (although I've seen nothing on their site, unless it's been very recent, to that effect), but they certainly aren't accurate.
sephirah Feb 6th 2009 9:34AM
Shame that we cleared Naxx 25 one month ago and wowjutsu didn't show Sapph and KT for 2 weeks (I even queued lot of people of my guild every week). Now it shows KT but not yet Sapph.
Flackbash Feb 6th 2009 9:43AM
Our guild had problems with WoWJutsu in the past, but since achievements came out, it's been spot on.
I guess some guilds ARE seeing inaccurate info, though.
My bad.
kabshiel Feb 6th 2009 12:05PM
WowJutsu does, in fact, use achievements: read the "Wrath Rankings Are Now Live" section http://wowjutsu.com/notes.html
AyaJulia Feb 6th 2009 12:57PM
Whether WowJutsu uses achievements or not--I'm not going to bicker over that one--it's definitely not accurate. It still seems to be judging your "downed" list by what you're wearing. Why do I say this?
Until very, very recently, my guild was not listed as having downed Grand Widow Faerlina.... despite it also listing that we've downed Sapphiron/Ketl'Thuzad/Malygos and all of us having the Spider Wing achievement.
Viper007Bond Feb 6th 2009 9:23AM
Shame really as the site was so great when it came out.
I'm personally using the ugly (but effective) WoWProgress now.
Penumbra Feb 6th 2009 9:28AM
Nice article.
The above comment about WoWJustsu now being accurate is wrong. Even though they tried to implement achievement tracking it hasn't worked. My guild has the server first achievements for Naxx and Malygos yet no matter how many times we refresh it we're listed as the fourth guild to kill both.
Richard Feb 6th 2009 9:30AM
WoWJutsu must *know* they suck, because I know many GMs who have sent them emails (myself) included where they go unanswered or ignored.
The days of WoWJutsu are over... unless they can keep up with the times.
wow.guildprogress.com is on par with wowprogress... but it weighs guild rankings by who got the kills *first*, not who's completed the most achievements.
sephirah Feb 6th 2009 9:39AM
Other sites no more so great:
MaxDPS: missing items, old specs/rotation...
WoWDB: I go on such kind of sites for comments on items/quests..., but it seems that nobody at all post there.
Jeni Feb 6th 2009 9:44AM
The most annoying thing is that they can not distinguish between badge bought t items and won t items. They have guilds listed as downing bosses they obviously have not.
Extra Medium Feb 6th 2009 6:20PM
How is it obvious they have not, other than you think they are noobs? It blows my mind that people are so into what others have or haven't done, especially since guild members jump around from guild to guild like they are deciding what to wear in the morning. Just be proud of your own accomplishments, it means nothing if you did it before or "Dragons of the Shadow Mist Warriors" or not.
Dunes Feb 6th 2009 9:50AM
It's not that accurate as it doesn't seem to automatically scan everyones armory, but I really do like warcrafter.net
Ahoni Feb 6th 2009 9:50AM
Any system tracking "progress" by Armorying the loot is doomed to fail. Some people PVP and logout in PVP gear. Some people fish, and logout with a fishing pole equipped. Some people have RP clothes they wear and logout in those. Others wear a wedding dress so its easier to find them when doing trades. All of these things contribute to the Armory method failing.
How can you reliably track "progress" from gear on the Armory when Gluth drops random tokens? Got the T7 chest and legs? Doesn't mean you killed the Four Horsemen and Thaddius. Might just have killed Gluth twice.
However, the biggest reason the Armory method fails, is I can purchase T7 gear with Emblems of Heroism/Valor. How can you reliably track "progress" from gear on the Armory when I can purchase Heroes T7 chest for badges? When I can purchase Valourous T7 legs for badges?
darian Feb 6th 2009 10:39AM
The obvious statement being that Wowjutsu just ignores any gear with multiple sources, and can instead just look at achievements.
More importantly Wowjutsu fails because it'll assume a guild has killed Heroic Sartharion just because one or two people in the guild have PuG'd it.
Aleyira Feb 6th 2009 9:51AM
Wowjutsu is pretty slow, and probably the least accurate and timely of the sites. Guildprogress (wow.guildprogress.com) is probably my favorite of the lot, and fastest to update.