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2-09-2009 @ 12:06PM
Let's see... in no particular order:* FuBar is fail. Is going the way of the dodo. LDB is where it's at now. Most authors of new addons are only coding native LDB support now because it takes so much less memory and is less buggy and simpler to use.* That tree in the first screenshot has 2 different sets of raidframes. Fail. I'd love to see his memory usage. * More than three or four lines in your threat meter is totally unnecessary. Just clutters things up and takes up extra brainwidth.* Second screenshot is a lot better, much less cluttered and ridiculous. Hope he doesn't leave Recount up like that all the time, though. Also suffers from the "too many bars in Omen" problem.* Third shot is the best of the three because of its simplicity and cleanliness, but it's hard to see what it actually looks like outside of a raid environment. Also, QuestHelper is fail and so are people who use it.
2-09-2009 @ 12:34PM
Oh dear ron, please forgive us for not living up to your expectations. Since we cause so much fail, we do not deserve to be listed on the same page on the interwebz, let alone the same planet as your holiness. Get the frak over yourself. Your post was your opinion of course, and I respected that up until the point where you indicated that people who use Questhelper are fail. Its fine if you don't like a certain UI, but if others do, who are you to insinuate that they are of a lesser calibur than you? You should take a step down off of the pretty pink pedestal you have placed yourself on and take a look around man. Stroking epic epeens causes cancer and possibly low sperm count.Loser.
2-09-2009 @ 12:39PM
Case in point.
2-09-2009 @ 2:40PM
Remember kids, don't feed the trolls.
2-09-2009 @ 3:09PM
That wasn't "Case in point." At least tell us why Questhelper is so much fail. Don't just make a list of a bunch of things and say people suck who use it that way. Also, what's it to you if people don't mind a cluttered interface? That's their prerogative.
2-09-2009 @ 3:21PM
It should be self-evident, but fine.QuestHelper is fail for several reasons.1) It is a bloated disgusting monster with an enormous memory footprint and a huge CPU load. I used to run it, so I'm not talking out of my ass. You can get 10 fps back just by turning it off.2) It is poorly coded. Ask any respected addon author to take a peek at it and they'll tell you the same. This is likely the cause of 1) above.3) It works by collecting data from users and asking them to send it in. Because of this it is constantly getting bad data from private servers and sending people out to BFE on fool's errands.4) And this is the biggest one: it reduces the game to a series of waypoints. People have always complained about MMORPGs being a rubbish because they are primarily comprised of fedex, collection, and "kill x of y" quests. QuestHelper exacerbates this problem. Turn your brain off and follow the shiny waypoint! As I said I used to run QH. I can't tell you how much more fun I started having when I turned it off.If the last argument doesn't ring true for you (subjective as it is) then at least listen to the first three (factual) arguments and get something like TourGuide, which at least isn't a bloated monster.And as are as clean, uncluttered UI's go... if you don't immediately see why they are a good thing, and to be preferred, then I can't help you. Trust me, though. There's a reason why OS X is so popular. I (among other things) design user interfaces for a living and simpler is always better. Always.
2-09-2009 @ 6:00PM
lol i dont think you get the meaning of the phrase "case in point". have you ever had a conversation with someone in real life? i ask this because you seem to not realize that people DO have different opinions than you. questhelper is great for people who like to get their characters to 80 quickly and dont care much for questing. i dont really care if YOU have more fun without it, i have more fun with it. i also like the look and feel of it more than others, and my computer is good enough that it doesnt slow me down much at all. anyone with common sense can quickly see if it is leading you in the wrong direction and that rarely even happens. and for saying "simpler is always better. Always." ..... come on.. you really believe that? yes a simpler ui is preferable to a lot of people, obviously you, but that doesnt make it preferable to everyone. you present yourself to not respecting others opinions and the way you use "fail" to describe everything is.... well... ..case in point..
2-09-2009 @ 10:31PM
"* That tree in the first screenshot has 2 different sets of raidframes. Fail. I'd love to see his memory usage. "Uh, I believe the 2nd is Healbot, which is not a full UI replacement, AFAIK. But hey, bang up job anyway, Captain Awesome.
2-10-2009 @ 11:31AM
@jbodar:Yeah? Ok, suppose you have Healbot running and properly configured. What information or functionality does the extra set of raid frames offer our intrepid healer?
2-11-2009 @ 6:24PM
RIGHT!.. lets also point out that he says that his list is "in no particular order".. yet it is.. so he doesn't even get that concept either. Ron if your so driven to tell people they fail at these addons then where are yours? and by that i mean the ones YOU have coded? you know the ones with "low memory footprints"?.. most of the addons listed by ANY of these guys are addons that are WIDELY accepted as the norm to use, whether you like it or not.and as for the healbot/extra raid frames thing you just don't get it do you? ITS NOT EXTRA RAID FRAMES.. its 1 set WITH healbot, obviously you don't see the difference though, i mean the raid frames look different and are even showing buffs at the side.. its like saying people who use grid should always ditch their raid frames, when grid doesn't always give all the information you need even with all the plugins. yeah it may look cluttered, but honestly healers have a lot to pay attention too, namely HEALTH BARS which this guy has 2 sets of now.. i bet if someones taking damage he isn't going to miss it..questhelper is bloated, I'll give you that, i think all of us know it and most of us dread trying to load into dalaran with it on but frankly its not at all making the game a bunch of waypoints at all; the game was already a bunch of waypoints, it just wasn't pointed out to us till QH came along. these way points were all hidden because blizzard was making us want to work at it, but now blizzards quest writers had obviously taken most of the expansion making process off and left the quest details to the lore people who don't have a clue how to get us from point A to B with words.. frankly i think some northrend quests require things like lightheaded and questhelper just because blizzard themselves have gotten lazy. plus its like it was said above, and blizzards really making it evident also, the game isn't really about questing any more, its about just getting to the end game. if it were about questing they'd make leveling slower and they'd have found a way to make death knights start at level 1 like every one else. its nice to say "i love this addon and here's why", its idiotic to come here and be like "well every one here is stupid because they like these addons".. frankly these ARE the major addons and these addons are made by major addon coders with the exception of a few i couldn't even find. as for every one else who's like "oh this article is great but it needs this this and this.. " your obviously new to the site because this article was around before in the very same fashion. they NEVER gave us more information then just what addons the guys they featured were using. not even where to get them (although usually most of them are on curse, and most of these UI's use almost all the same mods any way) . I've wanted more information on so many of these things that it forced me to just go out and get the addons and mess with them myself, and i couldn't be more pleased with that. it really, in effect, puts YOU in control and lets YOU get what you want out of the addons rather then what someone else wanted out of them. I would still like an article not so much about the addons and what they do (like the other great article about mods on this site) but about how to use and configure them. i think that would be a great help to those who either don't have a million hours to mess with them like i tend to or those who aren't really technically savvy but want to have great custom ui's
2-11-2009 @ 6:43PM
@AntoniaYou're right, I fail at WoW and life. Thanks for setting me straight.@AllI have never seen such a severe reaction to one moron's opinions as I've seen here... apparently people really like their QuestHelper and are pretty defensive about it.I will ask all who currently have QH installed, one more time, for your own good, to just try questing for one session without it. Just try it. Unless you are missing the part of your brain that deals with reading comprehension and maps and directions (and I have a guildie who happily admits to having just that defect) I promise you'll have more fun. I haven't run QH for the entire 70-80 run on 3 toons and have never had to look something up once. Not even once.As for raid frames... I don't think that those of you who advocate for running HealBot next to another set of frames actually raid (or raid heal). HealBot is enormous in size, with an over 2MB memory footprint (which is why I don't run it). The reason it's that big is because it is a very well-thought-out, intelligent piece of software that is able to literally tell you everything you need to know for the class you are. Everything you can dispell. Every missing buff you're capable of casting. I challenge you to name one piece of IMPORTANT information that a general-purpose raid frame offers that HealBot does not.Personally, I raid heal with PerfectRaid + Clique. Not as much functionality as Grid, not as comprehensive as HealBot, but does the job I need in a comparatively tiny memory footprint.And yes, I am an addon author, but I'm sure as hell not opening my code up to criticism after this thread. :) The two addons I've published are small and single-purpose so they don't really compare with these enormous monsters in terms of complexity, features, or codebase size, anyways. And that's just how I like it.
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