This is your brain on PvP
Ars Technica has news of a new study that isn't directly World of Warcraft-related, but that does have some pretty obvious applications in Azeroth. By studying the way we play when we believe we're competing against a human and a computer opponent (PvP vs. PvE, in WoW terms), scientists have determined that different parts of the brain are more active when we think we're playing against a human opponent. They call this extra activity "mind-reading," but it's not that supernatural: when we think we're playing a human, we try to put ourselves in their place, and think what they're thinking.It gets deeper: they even throw gender into the mix, and discovered that male brains seem to be working harder to do this kind of "mind-reading" of the other side. Their conclusion says that that's because women are naturally more empathetic, and thus don't have to work as hard to figure out what another person is thinking. That seems a little general -- it could also mean that the males care more about competition, and thus are working harder to "mind-read," or it could even just be a wrinkle of the way this data was gathered. More research is probably needed on that one -- if women are so great at figuring out their opponents, why aren't we seeing all-female teams winning Arena tournaments?
It would be interesting to know, too, whether there's increased activity in other areas, say pattern recognition or cause-effect centers of the brain, when we're playing against opponents that we know are computers. But this does tell us that there are definitely different skillsets at work when playing PvP or PvE, and why some people might very clearly enjoy one over the other.
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Virtual selves, PvP, Raiding, Arena






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Jay in Oregon Feb 9th 2009 3:06PM
Makes total sense to me.
If you're doing PvE, you're trying to figure out a programmed pattern of behavior. If you're doing PvP, you have to anticipate what your opponent might do (and what he is anticipating you'll do.)
Crivera Feb 9th 2009 3:14PM
"it could also mean that the males care more about competition, and thus are working harder to "mind-read,"
you had to say it didnt you... Inc Allison Robert's angry rebuttal.
rosencratz Feb 10th 2009 7:23AM
Clearly it's more to do with the fact that Women assume they're right on a subject upon the first thought , even when they're not, so they stop thinking about it, where as men are filled with doubt and so constantly re-evaluate the situation as per the situation..... *wink*
the problem comes with when women ARE right they run rings around you because we're more easily confused if they get all tricksy...
Whitesides Feb 9th 2009 3:47PM
Maybe we don't see many female teams because there arent many female gamers. As a gaming community, us guys can be kinda unwelcoming to ladies. Even this article seems like it doesn't want to accept that women could be "better" at PvPing than us guys. I would say the lack of kickass women players is because the game & playerbase are very male-centric. Furthermore, many women players choose to hide their identity because they risk sexual harassment or other forms of alienation for being "out" as a girl.
This is a great article about sexual dimorphism in WoW! It explains some of what I'm talking about. Check it out:
http://web.archive.org/web/20071126044941/http://www.theirisnetwork.org/archives/12
Justin Feb 9th 2009 4:01PM
I dont think female gamers are as unwelcomed in wow as much as they are unwelcomed on xbox live. Females get constant harrassment for 10 year olds in games like halo. Ive actually known quite a bit of female players in wow, and interestingly they were only interested in pve.
Sean Riley Feb 9th 2009 3:58PM
Yeah, that was my take on it too. I'm betting less female gamers go in hard for PVP and for exactly the reason cited below; boys get a lot more competitiveness fed into them at an early age.
That said, I bet you that we will see a top Arena team made up entirely of women sooner or later.
Sakinah Feb 9th 2009 4:13PM
Checking in as a girl gamer. It is, in fact, true that there are a lot of guys who get really rude and really pissed off when they find out a.) I'm a girl, and b.) I know my class/spec better than they do.
The enviroment can be pretty hostile overall. Not just in WoW. But you know it's bad when roll on an RP server and my nelf constantly gets 'Hey baby" whispers. I just made a macro that I spam back. "Hi, my name's Mike. What's yours?"
Although I got another good suggestion from another girl gamer: "Well, I'm not a babe yet, but I will be after the surgery.."
It's really sad when we have to go to these kinds of lengths in order to just be able to play. :/
Avonin Feb 9th 2009 3:22PM
Yeah I'd have to go with men care more about the competition.
Asteh Feb 9th 2009 3:25PM
Soon we'll have to have different arena tournaments for men and women, kind of like in sports, but this time where women are the "stronger" ones.
Shade Feb 9th 2009 3:27PM
I dunno about the rest of the women out there, but I don't do it because I know I'm pretty bad at them. BG's are fine, but one on one or two on two...not so much.
Mostly I've got a background in RPG games, not so much the 1st person shooters that require instant thought.
Karilyn Feb 9th 2009 3:40PM
Don't worry...
Most men are bad at PvP too =P
How it works:
http://xkcd.com/385/
Keyra Feb 9th 2009 4:20PM
"if women are so great at figuring out their opponents, why aren't we seeing all-female teams winning Arena tournaments?"
I'm with you...I'm in a non-PvP realm for a reason. I don't do PvP. I don't do arenas. Why? Because I suck at it. And, in truth, I could really care less about it. It's just not my thing.
This isn't to say that ALL women are lousy PvPers, but I might go so far as to say that the majority would probably reply to the above question with something like, "Because we simply don't find it that interesting."
Gessilea Feb 9th 2009 4:46PM
Another woman who dislikes PvP here, but I'm really, really, really hesitant to jump too far into the gender theory on this one. Personally, I dislike interacting with the general WoW population, which kept me out of battlegrounds and has also kept me away from larger leveling guilds, out of /trade and /general, and out of pugs. Once arenas started up I tried a couple, but at that point had been playing exclusively PvE for so long that I really didn't want to learn how to play all over again.
One could probably make a good argument that women are socialized to be less competitive in general, but since I'm not an expert of any kind, I think I'll keep out of it. Personally, I'm hugely competitive, but find that when I get into that mindset, I get nasty and frustrated and basically don't enjoy myself. WoW is my fun time, so anything that's not fun has to go.
Isabella Feb 9th 2009 5:21PM
I used to pvp a lot. To gauge, I had 25K kills and Justicar. Before TBC. On an alt. Yes, really. I totally wanted those Sentinel Chain Leggings.
At this point, I'm still relatively hardcore into WoW. At least, I think server 2nd to 80 on a pvp server is pretty hardcore (5 hrs sleep, 1st to 80 had her husband play half the time, gag me). Maybe it's because I don't play one of the more desired arena classes, but I just haven't been able to get into pvp too much, though I will say I totally adore wintergrasp.
I burned out on pvp shortly after TBC dropped because it kind of sucks to be stuck at Gold Mine every game. Or be the only one to try & flag carry because your team is hanging out at the rejuv hut farming HKs. Not gonna lie though, I loved kiting lieutenants, lol. I did a long series of cycles where I would be hardcore into pvp for about a month and then be disgusted and not pvp at all for 2 weeks so the highest rank I attained was Knight-Champion. I wonder now if my irritation was due in part to my brain chemistry, which anticipated empathetically that if we leave a flag unguarded the other team will totally come and get it, while the failpugs on my team didn't have the same biological advantage. huh.
Eisengel Feb 9th 2009 7:51PM
There are a couple caveats on the study:
1. It was written to evaluate if women are better 'mind readers' than men, because of this there will be a finding one way or the other.
2. The 'game' used was not WoW PvP, in fact it was a very simple series.
3. In general all participants had marked excitation in the medial frontal gyrus, so all participants that thought they were playing against a human reacted in approximately the same way. The main difference if one of degree.
4. The sample size was somewhat small, well over 2 standard deviations.
5. Possibly most important is that the subjects' brains were not not benchmarked... meaning none of them were asked to perform other tasks to evaluate their own inherent biases, which could have easily polluted the study. The IQs and general executive functions were checked, but not profiled. For such a targeted study on such a small group, I would have expected much more careful parameterization.
Bottom line.. this study almost kind of says something useful, but not quite.
Blitzy Feb 9th 2009 3:45PM
The amount of work to anticipate your opponent's moves is more based on your knowledge of their class and skills, rather than being a male or female.
Shysty Feb 9th 2009 3:56PM
As a lock I've found that as soon as I read your mind I'm dead.
Ezzy Feb 9th 2009 3:56PM
I was joking about this yesterday with some guildies. I told them I had -10 PvP skill because I am a female.
Joking aside, in a mostly patriarchal society like that of the US, women are less likely to be competitive because of the way they are brought up. It is mostly nurture that makes women not as competitive as men. But it doesn't women aren't or can't be competitive, it is just they prefer to be inclusive and nurturing.
Shade Feb 9th 2009 4:10PM
I just prefer to stick to what I'm good at and leave the other things to people that are good at them.
What I'm trying to say here is that I am lazy
Ircasha Feb 9th 2009 6:10PM
@Ezzy
"Joking aside, in a mostly patriarchal society like that of the US, women are less likely to be competitive because of the way they are brought up."
Are you serious? This isn't the 1950s. I think you'd be surprised to learn just how many women are brought up to be highly competitive these days. Just sit on the sidelines some weekend and watch a young girls soccer match or two. Don't tell me those girls aren't being raised to be competitive.