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2-10-2009 @ 11:50PM
After re-reading this post, I'm afraid I now have to comment on the spec used in this post... I lol at some of the choices made in that spec... resto side is fine... but if your healers hate you for wearing the polar set, they'll hate you more for making those KotJ points actually useful... and shredding attacks? 2 rage points are worth 2 talent points?? not even... You mentioned ElitistJerks at some point, You really need to go back and research a better spec... That spec is ok for someone with specific others always in their raid group, or for someone that isn't MT, and frequently goes kitty, but since this was posted as equipping a bear...
2-11-2009 @ 12:13AM
Wait, what?The build I linked to at the time was the accepted 0/60/11 bear main-tanking spec that absolutely did not have Shredding Attacks and *did* have 3/3 Infected Wounds, so something's screwy here. I'll go back and correct it.
2-11-2009 @ 2:52AM
lol, well, that is a slightly better spec, but still, kotj? it does depend somewhat on your raid group composition, but kotj is a healer hating stat, if you're enraging during a boss fight, you're incoming dmg is going to skyrocket... unless you have a disc priest on you, it's not even close to worth it... the spec I'm using (from elitist jerks) takes the points from kotj, and imp lotp, and put's them in feral aggression. You may not need it, if you have a warr in your group at all times with imp demo shout, but even then, kotj is right out... and if you always have a dk with imp icy talons, then iw is useless as well... I can't count on those players being in my raids at this time, so I have those talents.. just please tell me you don't ever use enrage MTing a boss...
2-11-2009 @ 12:53PM
With all due respect, Wo1ph, I think you've read the EJ thread on bear specs without fully understanding its intent. It's not meant to be a bible to how to spec a bear tank; as the players themselves would tell you, it's a series of suggestions on which builds will make the most of your raid composition. In BC, the feral tanking spec was pretty much set in stone, but this is no longer true. To the extent that you need to juggle specs at all (and it's by no means necessary with the current ease of raid content; if you were arguing about something like pre-nerf Sunwell you might have a case), you need to do so in order not to duplicate raid buffs or debuffs that someone can supply more easily than you can.Can I assume that you are using the "full tanking" spec suggested by Mijae? -- http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0ZEGGscrzceocczAo0E0zSo, a few points:1. I am my guild's only feral and thus the only potential supplier of iLotP. At the moment, we are often a melee-heavy raid, so iLotP's contribution to raid healing (particularly on 3D Sarth) is not inconsiderable.2. I tank alongside three Protection Warriors, one of whom usually has Improved Demo Shout, and an Affliction Warlock with 2/2 Frailty. The only time I am not guaranteed to have an improved attack power reduction is main-tanking 3D Sarth, at which point the Warlock will keep up the improved CoW but *I* have to keep up Infected Wounds because our Warriors and Death Knights are occupied elsewhere. 3. With three Protection Warriors in the guild, it's less raid DPS for me to MT every fight. Because I had Tier 6 going into Wrath, the 2-piece T6 bonus for Mangle plus Improved Mangle gets me close to Shred's DPE without having to put the points into Shredding Attacks. Consequently, 3/3 KoTJ contributes more DPS to my build, and that's something I have to think about when, for example, doing a 5-minute Malygos. You're correct that KotJ is fairly useless for bear, but I'm also not opposed to using Enrage on bosses who hit like pansies. Almost by definition, if you're going rage-starved on a raid boss, they're probably not hitting you very hard to begin with, and you can override most (if not all) of the additional damage from the armor penalty by popping Barkskin. That's hardly "skyrocketing" incoming damage as long as you're not dumb enough to pop it going into Gluth's Decimate or what have you, and threat-capping your raid due to rage starvation is Not A Good Thing.4. I will probably be supplying Improved Demo Roar to raids in Ulduar and beyond, at which point I assume the amount of +expertise on tier and tanking gear may render Primal Precision superfluous and the Tier 6 bonus will not "pay" for itself as easily, allowing me to free 5 points from KotJ and PI.The "last three points" in bear builds are the subject of much grousing from everyone (more so because Blizz finally fixed the weird deal with boss attack power, which would have made 3/5 Feral Aggression a no-brainer), but I advise all Feral Druids to take a good hard look at the encounters they tank and the raids they're in and make decisions for themselves.
2-11-2009 @ 7:36PM
I've used enrage on boss fights too, maybe you need to get a better gear, W01ph, if that's giving you problems.My tanking spec has KotJ and Shredding attacks, both give you more flexibility. If the content was harder, or after dualspecs come out I will certainly change the spec, but right now there's no "best" bear spec.
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