Spiritual Guidance: Your dual spec questions answered

Every Sunday (usually), Spiritual Guidance will offer practical insight for priests of the holy profession. Your host is Matt Low, the grand poobah of World of Matticus and a founder of PlusHeal, a new healing community for all restorative classes. Welcome to the delayed, dual spec edition! Dual specs will be here soon! What specs will you be going for?
The marching orders have been given. With the green lighting of dual specs in the upcoming 3.1 patch, Priests of any discipline will be faced with an enormous decision that dwarfs the question of going Holy or Shadow (and Disc)!
First, a brief history lesson.
For the longest time, the healers struggled with questing. Soloing and doing dailies was a monumental effort due to the of our spec to Smite those that would oppose us! In Burning Crusade, our offensive spellpower was raised to so that it became a fraction of our healing spellpower. In Wrath of the Lich King, these become consolidated into one overall stat.
We cried out that respec costs cut into our dwindling money pouches. Mistakes in one point were often costly. It wasn't fun having to switch from raiding to PvPing or farming. We ached for a method that allowed us to switch roles without the headache.
Blizzard listened and they gave us dual specs!
So, now what?
How do you, the Priest, figure out what your second spec should be? If you're a tried and true healer who loves the thrill of healing in any environment, then you may wish to consider both a raiding and a PvP spec. If you're the type of player who prefers the ability to do some solo action, then you might opt for a healing and shadow type build. If you're not into PvP or that interested in doing any solo work, then a healing and healing spec may be up your ally.
Raiding and raiding
With some of the new Priest changes coming in 3.1, expect these talent builds to look a little different. We know that Divine Spirit will be a baseline ability. But we don't know how the Discipline tree will be affected. I'm predicting that Power Word: Barrier will be a talent in there somewhere.
57/14/0 Deep Discipline + 14/57/0 Deep Holy
This is combination that I'll be using for my raids. The big reason for me is that I'm not huge into PvP. I tried it for a while, but I'm not skilled enough to remain competitive. I'd rather stick to what I know best. What this combination offers the Priest is the ability to switch from the raw, single target healing strength of a Discipline Priest to the raid healing flexibility of a Holy Priest.
Adjust your talents accordingly. You might not need Grace if you have a player with the equivalent talents in the raid.
Guild leaders and officers may remember participating in a discussion with the Priest talking about upcoming dual specs. And that discussion may have gone something like this:
Priest: "I think I'm going to go Holy and Disc for my dual specs."
Officer: "Cool."
Priest: "But there's a problem."
Officer: "What's that?"
Priest: "I'll need two sets of healing gear to make use of them."
Officer: "Oh hell naw."
And they're right. Discipline and Holy are different enough that it requires different strategy in gearing. In a nutshell, a Disc Priest is going to get as much Intellect and Crit as they can. A Holy Priest is going raise their Intellect and Spirit as similar as possible and then gun for Haste.
Some of the gear is interchangeable and you don't absolutely need the best. But depending on your server's economy, switching gems on a set of gear will add up to your expenses.
Blizzard did say they were working on giving Holy more PvP options. I'll look at that when more information comes out.
Holy and Shadow
14/57/0 Deep Holy + 14/0/57 Shadow
I suspect this will be the popular combination for Priests that like to heal and DPS at the same time. Twisted Faith grants a spellpower boost based on a percentage of your Spirit. Spiritual Guidance does the same thing.
Raiding and PvP
57/14/0 Deep Discipline + 54/17/0 PvP Discipline
It's great if you want to have some fun on the weekend with some battleground or arena action. I'm still experimenting with the PvP side of things (you can tell I don't do it much). I tried out using Spell Warding instead of Divine Fury. It worked great until I ran into nothing but Rogues, Warriors, and Hunters.
After that, I switched back to Divine Fury.
Questions?
Here's a great twitter question from @zabuni that I wanted to address for Shadow Priests.
"Given current norms for SP gear, would Disc or Holy be the better second spec if my main is Shadow?"
With the current gear accessible in the game, Holy may be the better spec of the two. Some of the cloth DPS gear has Spirit and others have MP5. If you notice you're packing more Spirit, go Holy. More MP5? Try your hand at Discipline instead. It's not a big enough factor that you have to go out of your way and manually calculate your stats. But it's significant enough where you do need to look at your spellpower gear and your healing gear and see what's the best solution for you. The key thing to remember is that both Holy and Shadow add spellpower bonuses from Spirit. Don't forget that!
It's time to start thinking about your second spec option! These are just some of the combinations that players may shoot for. What will you pick?
Further reading
Raid Rx: Will dual spec affect your healing squads?
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Filed under: Priest, Analysis / Opinion, (Priest) Spiritual Guidance






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
ac Feb 16th 2009 11:05AM
Finally! This should solve a lot of tank shortages.
Station Feb 16th 2009 11:57AM
You know, people always complain about tank shortages. I don't see it as much of an issue as we have too many. The thing is, we need fewer and fewer tanks as we raid more and more. Lets examine.
How many tanks does a 5 man need? Obviously 1 per 5 people.
How many tanks does a 10 man need? 2, 1 MT and 1 ot - still the right ratio, ok.
How many tanks does a 25 man need? 2, maybe 3.
See the problem? My guild has TOO MANY tanks, so we lose 25 man spots to tanking. Healers don't have this issue, so we are always looking for a few good ones. Heck, I made an entire other toon so I can raid DPS/Heals when my main (Tankadin) isn't needed. With the addition of DK tanks (who still can DPS ok with DPS gear in tank spec) and enough feral druids to go around, my poor prot pally (and our warrior tanks) have issues, because we can't do anything else. So on a given night, we just aren't needed.
I agree that this might help insomuch as we have a chance to spec something else (and maybe be useful like feral druids / DK's are during a raid) but I think this is a band-aid to a fundamental design problem.
Quills Feb 16th 2009 11:20AM
In my experience, shadow gear translates much better into a disc spec than a holy one, making disc/shadow (both pve) very viable for duo speccing.
h8rain Feb 16th 2009 11:34AM
That is what I am doing. The one argument against that is Spirit is more useful for shadow than disc, due to the talent that boost SP for spirit.
Hagen Feb 16th 2009 7:48PM
I was Disc right up until our guild's early attempts on Naxxand we were lacking ranged dps, but had lots of healers, so off to Shadow I went. I'd been shadow almost the entire way to 70 and thru BC anyway. Disc/Shadow seems like the right dual spec setup to me.
I've focused a decent bit on making sure I'm boosting my crit as shadow anyway, so that helps make the gear translate better. Really curious to see a PTR w/3.10 soon
Ueber Feb 16th 2009 1:01PM
Honestly with the number of pieces that you need to swap to go from a proper DPS to a proper healing set, getting rid of all of that hit, I don't think there will be an issue for shadow priests to jump right into healing using either tree. Provided they've thought it out in advance, anyway. I personally like crit a lot more than haste, so I'll likely have Disc be my second tree (although I haven't decided entirely yet if I will go PVE or PVP disc).
sephirah Feb 16th 2009 11:25AM
So now priest will start to roll twice for the same slot?
"Hey, I know I've the best in slot regarding Int and crit, but this item is better for Spi and haste..."
/roll
randompriest rolls 100 (1-100)
randomdps still in blues
/cry
jellyphish Feb 16th 2009 11:38AM
In terms of rolling on gear, everyone should still have a main, while their other spec would be considered an alt. If this is the case and you're still losing needed upgrades, you really ought to reconsider how loot is distributed...and if you pugging, deal with it, cuz pugging sucks...
steve Feb 16th 2009 11:27AM
Initially I thought I would go disc + shadow, but it seems like my guild still have an overabundance of dps, just enough tanks, and chronic shortage of healers. We've actually ended up with fewer healers than when we started wrath. So I am planning to do the same thing as Matt and go disc + holy; I'm just not seeing any situations in the near term where I won't be needed to heal. Fingers crossed some of the pallies and druids will dual-spec into a healing tree.
Rollo Feb 16th 2009 5:48PM
I don't see the point, you can still only fill one healing spot in the raid. Sure, having one or two double-specced healers in the guild can help getting the right synergy, but otoh you'll have worse gear.
Myself, I can't pass up the opportunity to do some damage again, even if it's only solo questing or grinding chilled meat! :D
Silkath Feb 16th 2009 11:30AM
"You might not need Grace"
Umm, the main benefit of Grace is the 6% increased dealing done for your own spells. No one else in the raid can provide this for you. Not taking Grace in a deep Disc PvE spec would be a very sub-optimal choice, 2% increased healing per talent point is hard to beat.
Silkath Feb 16th 2009 11:47AM
That would be "healing" not dealing. Wtb edits...
LoadedBanker Feb 17th 2009 8:54AM
You have to keep in mind that "Matticus" is a general interest priest enthusiast. He's not an expert, and is often way off base with specific gear/spec/stat recommendations. Refer to more credible sources to help make these choices.
Eisengel Apr 15th 2009 2:06PM
As a newly-minted Disc Priest I 'lub' Grace. You can stack up Grace to full with Penance, so that your next heal lands will a full stack up. In fact, I think so far my maxheal spell combo (healing-per-second-wise) has been: Penance, pw:s, IF-> greater heal. Penance stacks up Grace, glyphed pw:s heals for over 2.5k-ish, plus it triggers Borrowed Time so I can bang out a hasted Greater with a full Grace stack. If I Inner Fire the Greater Heal it will easily crit for 13k+ in my Shadow gear. The only problem I foresee for me is mana regen. While my heals hit for pretty good numbers and my holy crit is about 26% (holy crit!), my mana regen is pretty sucky, even after 3.1, when compared to other healers. Now if I only roll Flash Heals and pw:s, I'm in decent shape, but anything else pushes my mana down pretty fast.
hpavc Feb 17th 2009 2:12PM
Its a horrid idea that will cause more problems than it solves.
JustSomeGuy Feb 16th 2009 12:15PM
Priest is a joke in PvP. If you are rolling priest, you may as well not even take that into consideration (even WITH dual specs).
Priest is a PvE -ONLY- class. Blizz seems to want it that way, as every change since TBC came out proves.
Avan Feb 16th 2009 1:58PM
Aren't disc priests one of the top 5 contenders in the arena?
Eisengel Apr 15th 2009 3:14PM
Really? Allow me to direct you to the first post of:
http://www.wowinsider.com/2009/04/13/spiritual-guidance-shadow-as-a-secondary-spec-in-3-1/
Saying 'only' really limits your options. You could say class X often does better at activity A than class Y... but 'only' is pretty strong.
Lidija Feb 16th 2009 12:59PM
Go for what you enjoy.
The shadow talents you need for raiding is subtley different to those you use in PvP &/or grinding. It's quite viable to have 2 x shadow specs, one with blackout/psy scream/silence for pvp, and one with shadow affinity/vamp touch (etc) for raiding.
Personally I'm disc for mainspec, and planning to go shadow/disc for 2nd spec since it's brilliant for questing.
Avan Feb 16th 2009 1:54PM
Holy healing as main, Holy/Disc DPS as alt.