actually glider has settings for multiboxing (elite version anyway) takes about an hour to set up, then maybe 10 minutes to update skills every 10 lvls or so. so really there's no effort required beyond a few keystrokes.

I'm sorry but
"Botting may require start-up effort, but Multiboxing requires on-going effort, and requires that you actually sit behind the computer and you know... play the game."

Is just a silly statement. When you can level 3 characters 1-60 in 24-36 hours played with RAF you have reached the point where multibox leveling and bot leveling require the same amount of effort.

I don't have a problem at all with multi boxing I have done it myself in every MMO I have ever played but when blizzard introduced RAF they threw away any chance at saying bots are bad because they let you skip the game. Grinding 6 different instances continuously for 24-36 hours and coming out with 3 level 60s and a spare 30 is no better then botting.

I multibox two characters and I implore anyone who thinks it levels anything *faster* to actually do it.

It doesn't.

Multiboxing is no faster way to level in my experience. The only reason why I did it was so I wouldn't need to use groups for most group quests. But anyone who thinks it levels you up faster hasn't actually done it.

Drop quests where you have to retrieve X amount of items takes twice as long because you have to collect it for two people; this is just one example.

Not to mention that, on a PvP server, if someone comes to gank you, it's often harder trying to fight between two characters than one.

Multiboxing is a lot harder and takes a lot more work than running one character, and the payoff for that isn't necessarily faster leveling.

You can't expect to have your cake and eat it too...

This is one of the single stupidest expressions on the planet. If you can't eat the cake what the hell is the point of even trying to get the cake in the first place. Seriously, this expression needs to die in a fire.

@7:

Like I said MULTIBOXING requires constant interaction and effort.

Botting a multiboxed group is still botting.


@8:

Not all of us used RAF, and I'd argue that by the time people started utilizing the 3-month one-time-per-account RAF bonus, 1-60 wasn't exactly the epitome of the game. Heck, people have done 1-60 without RAF wearing absolutely nothing (Naked Troll Project), and look at people like Noor the Pacifist.

I could copy someone else's keybindings and macros and faceroll my way to victory out of sheer luck, but I'd still be the one with my face pressed to the keyboard.

Sans the faceroll example, which anyone -- multiboxer or not -- could probably do (and do it easier with the RAF bonus), a multiboxer SHOULD be constantly adjusting to dynamic conditions -- changing macros, pressing different situational pairings of buttons, and altering their playstyles based on the situation.

To be completely honest, the majority of people I know who have used RAF were single boxers who "multiboxed" two characters: their 80, and the lowbie they used to run through instances. Once that new alt was 60, it was transferred onto their other account and they once again played solo. They totally skipped the 1-60 by grinding things out mindlessly with their 80. Their choice, really.

RAF, PvE->PvP transfers... it's all debatable depending on who you ask -- should they be allowed? are they fair? are they cheating the people who did it "right"? Opinions will vary, but I wouldn't base judgement of all multiboxers -- particularly the ones who leveled the "right" way or rolled pre-RAF -- based on a game mechanic addition that is just as abused by the single-boxer crowd.

ah, my apologies. I misunderstood your post. Agreed that multiboxing (without bots) is a beast all its own and does require a significant time(and cash) investment.

dunno why people voted you down madem, I whole heartedly agree with you! and i've leveled so many alts at times I thought my eyes would bleed. but its like you said, if you find the whole game boring and tedious, its time to find a new hobby.

I've been playing since the original launch and if there is one thing i've learned, its that the best way to enjoy the game is to take the loading tip at face value and take the game in moderation.

its only a job if you make it.

Bloody hell MazokuRanma. It's clear you don't understand what the expression means. To have your cake and eat it to means to have a cake or other delicious treat, to eat it and still have all your cake for later. It's getting something twice, not just having it once.

Next time find out instead of attacking innocent sayings.

I want my game to be fun. Grinding isn't fun. The end.

@Tyler

I think MazukoRanma meant that the expression is stupid in that there's no point in having a cake, EXCEPT to eat it. So normal people don't actually WANT to have their cake and eat it too. They just want to eat it.