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2-17-2009 @ 1:41PM
Hard mode????!! so 25 man facerolling naxx raiders can afk this too? and get better gear? I wan't hear that 25 is much harder than 10 man sheesh
2-17-2009 @ 1:45PM
Not to sound rude, but are you seriously that retarded? The hard mode refers to being able to change the boss fights to something quite challenging such as Sarth + 3 drakes. Both 10 and 25 man versions will have hard mode for these bosses. Hard mode =/= Heroic mode.
2-17-2009 @ 1:48PM
After reading your 2 comments... isn't better if you find another hobby that don't make you angry every 5 minutes? Something you find funny maybe...
2-17-2009 @ 1:51PM
Oh, c'mon. Seriously. No one facerolled 25 man Naxx with people AFK. Not even the hardest of the hardcore raiding guilds did that sort of thing.
2-17-2009 @ 1:58PM
I was referring to the damn optional hard modes. Uldaur 25 should be hard and not optional hard. Uldaur 25 will be the same difficulty as 10 man which is garbage. I run both 25 and 10 man naxx ,and was very disappointed in 25 man. To the moron on top telling me to play a diff game. According to your logic: Obama beat McCain; Republicans should leave the country right? And I should leave because I found one fault in the game amirite?
2-17-2009 @ 2:00PM
10 man and 25 man are supposed to be roughly the same difficulty. The only difference is how many people you bring. 25 man drops better loot because co-ordinating 25 people is much harder than 10. 25 man should be tuned slighty harder but it won't be 10 man easy mode 25 man hard mode. A good thing in my opinion.Blizzard has stated as well that Ulduar will be much much harder, (64 harder to be exact) than Naxx. However the days of wiping on a boss for months are over. The days of wiping on a boss on hard mode have begun. A good thing in my opinion. Now raids can tune the encounters to how good they are.You want to have that pre-nerf mu'ru fight? Go for it with 4 pillars. Get yourself some ilevel 250 loot. Too hard? Try it with 3, get some ilevel 240 loot. Still too hard? Do it with 2. If your raid is good enough you can get yourself ilevel 230 loot. (I'm estimating the ilevels here, bear with me.) Do it with a pillar up get some ilevel 220 loot. STILL too hard? Alright, "faceroll" as you put it, your way into some ilevel 215 loot.Another example, Hakkar lost abilities for each troll aspect you killed, but, correct me if I'm wrong, he dropped the same loot whether he had all aspects up, or none. Now, some guilds could have done it with no aspects easily. Don't you wish he had dropped more loot if you had done it with more abilities?Replayability is the name of the game.It's a good thing. A very good thing.What I hope they don't do however, is continue to make mounts drop from the "hard modes". I find it funny that to get the best loot from sarth, you only need to do it with 2 drakes up. To get a drake, an awesome mount, (and believe me, I love mounts, I have an albino drake myself) you have to do it hard hard HARD mode. But the mount is still a vanity item. An awesome vanity item, but a vanity item just the same.
2-17-2009 @ 2:08PM
LOL "harder to coordinate " 25 get more buffs, much less penalty for death. There really no more coordination. Vent pretty much fixes that, heck half of the 25 man can prolly just wing it.I guess what really get my goat is that 25 man encounters are often easier. 25 man are only harder to coordinate in PUGS.Most fights are always MT stand here OT stand here pick up addsHealers stand here and dps stand there and then do your little pve dance. Ppl who play RPGs exclusively may have a hard time with this, but i've seen battlefield 2 fights with real opponents done on a more massive scale done beautifully on the fly.
2-17-2009 @ 2:14PM
"To the moron on top telling me to play a diff game. According to your logic: Obama beat McCain; Republicans should leave the country right? And I should leave because I found one fault in the game amirite?"No, a better anology would be as follows:Obama beat McCain, so Republicans who are so juvenile that they can't stand a member of the opposing party in power should leave the country if they can't do anything but complain. Republicans who don't mind can stay.
2-17-2009 @ 4:28PM
Shinken, 25 people are not harder too coordinate in a fight, they're harder to coordinate in a guild. Finding 10 decent players is a lot easier than finding 25 of them, and then not having the whole thing explode in a giant mushroom cloud of drama is the real challenge.Also, 10-man Sarth-3D is a lot harder than 25-man.
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