Are Paladins going to get nerfed?

Here's the thing, though... that change will hurt Retribution Paladins more than it will Holy Paladins. Retribution Paladins rely on the synergy of Spiritual Attunement and Seal of Blood / of the Martyr in addition to Judgements of the Wise, Replenishment, and Divine Plea. We'll probably have to see exactly what the incoming nerf looks like before we panic, but considering how Paladins have a history of getting beaten by the nerf bat, it's not an altogether rosy proposition. In fact, I think Paladins are probably going to get nerfed beyond the current Divine Plea and the future Spiritual Attunement. My thoughts after the jump.
Arenas. That's it. I predict that Paladins are going to get beaten to a pulp with the nerf bat because Paladin representation in high rated Arena play is exceptional right now. Even though Paladin representation in raids or ability to heal in raids is about on par with other classes, the fact that our survivability and fast, big heals are dominant in the Arena environment spells inevitable doom. Blizzard has a history of nerfing Paladins when they're on the rise. Remember the nerf to Blessing of Freedom? The nerf to Blessing of Sacrifice? Directly because of Arenas.
In fact, Kalgan's post back in 2007 is somewhat telling of Blizzard's attitude towards balance. He said that Paladins were "grossly over-represented" at that time, even though this was merely the beginning of Season 1. Those nerfs led to Paladins becoming the worst represented class in the 3v3 (the format of professional Arena play) months later (2nd worst in 2v2 and 2nd best in 5v5). I think Blizzard has improved a lot in their attitude and sensibilities since then, but the stigma remains.
Unless the other classes -- even at least the healing classes -- start catching up in Arena representation soon, Paladins are going to get whacked by the nerf bat. Mark my words. It will have little to do with mana regeneration, it will have little to do with raid superiority. It will have everything to do with Paladins making up a full quarter of the top classes in Arena play. Guess what? Survival Hunters make up a fifth of that. So they're going to get nerfed, too. This is part of Blizzard's struggle to keep all classes balanced in all aspects of the game. It's an impossible task, but you have to hand it to them for trying. In the meantime... panic.
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 9)
Deadly. Off. Topic. Feb 19th 2009 3:15PM
Technically it’s not really a lie. And as for tanking, we were OKAY as tanks in BC. We got the job done when it needed to be done, but we were NOT as great, NOT as good as what we are nowadays. I rather tank with the skills I have now than what I had back then.
And being forced into an off-tank position was NOT a good thing. No mana regen abilities if you were off-tanking. You ran out of mana and that was that - unless you burnt through potions. Sure AoE tanking worked for people, but again that's NOT main tanking -that AoE off tanking mobs.
I'm tired of seeing silly nerfs like mana regens being done when the whole damn beta was aimmed at fixing a class that clearly was LOL by most people.
We’re TANKS right now. We carry equal weight. It’s just really sad seeing all the hate at pallies because other classes can’t be bothered to learn how to play their own classes right.
infection Feb 19th 2009 5:40PM
@Garath
"Total rubbish, they were the best AoE tanks, more or less needed in much content to be able to handle certain encounters and had few problems at all in solo tanking most of which happened due to over gearing an encounter."
So that's ok with you?
What if we took, say... Shadow Priest and said... "well, you can be great for trash and spawns on boss's, but for the boss dps, sorry, you will be sitting on the side"
Hell no.
This is one thing they have gotten right for pally tanks and other tanks in general. No longer is there just ONE tank that everyone looks to for a boss.
Just like there is not ONE person people look to for dps OR heals on a boss.
The article about how warriors were QQ'ing the other day absolutely made my day. Sorry if that hurts feelings or steps on toes, but the truth of the matter is, pallies were not a MT in BC and were just used (like you stated) for "certain encounters". Could they MT? Barely. Did people WANT them as MT's. No.
But as for our guild, we've cleared everything the game has to offer, even sarth 3D, and we have no problem at all with my pally MT or a warrior MT or a druid MT or a Dk MT. That is the beauty of Wotlk, and I enjoy it.
But I'll agree with others, if they are going to start nerfing pallies again to where we will be struggling constantly, we'll fall right back into the rut of BC. Can we main tank? Barely. Do people want us at MT. No.
I don't pvp at all anymore, but I still respect others that are having problems with pally issues in pvp. I just hope they can find a way not to kill our pve status. And from what my guildmates that are in the 2000 ratings say, pallies is not more overpowered than a DK.
buenoexcellente Feb 20th 2009 3:05AM
So they are supposed to nerf you without nerfing you? How do you expect them to do that? Either you damage, survivability or longevity has to be wrecked.
The guy QQing about locks was correct, but he could just have extended that to /delete all classes. If you PVP right now, there is no reason, to play anything but a Paladin, and when that is half the game, that is a serious problem.
MusedMoose Feb 18th 2009 8:13PM
I just want to say that I think the image for this article is hilarious and could be used for roughly 42% of the articles posted here. *grin*
Alby Feb 18th 2009 8:34PM
lol i agree
Alby Feb 18th 2009 8:34PM
"they're going to nerf Divine Illumination for "non-tanking Paladins," "
“Retribution Paladins rely on the synergy of Divine Illumination "
Maybe I’m just too tired from work but, that makes no sense, divine illumination is deep in the holy tree why would ret and prot have anything to do with that? If you’re spec’d that deep in holy, you’re holy.
is panicking
Zach Feb 19th 2009 3:31AM
It's Spiritual Attunement. I totally spaced out when I was writing this.
SteveV Feb 19th 2009 3:48AM
FFS, could you just have read all the other posts talking about his error with Divine Illumination and then left it alone?
I want to read comments, not a bunch of people shouting that he typed the wrong thing here... he knows, he fixed it.
Alby Feb 22nd 2009 12:18PM
lol calm down i posted when no posts were up it just took a while to register i guess
Zeplar Feb 18th 2009 8:19PM
Because in paladins, blizzard has successfully made a class that is both really annoying to play, and really annoying to fight.
Ad Caelum Feb 19th 2009 6:13AM
ROFLMAO....spot on!
Spoonmaster Feb 18th 2009 8:22PM
Somebody has to say it and it might as well be me.
TO THE GROUND BABY.
Angus Feb 19th 2009 7:56AM
thank you.
I am pretty sick of the nerf bat smacking ret right upside the head.
I don't even play it. I was ret for 3 days and saw a huge issue with mana sustainability. That makes no sense to me. Enhance shaman with water shield and SR can sustain themselves almost the entire fight (sometimes you get low thanks to the stupid SR length nerf) but ret is SoL unless a lot of raid damage is showing up. Not exactly a great system.
zentzuken Feb 18th 2009 8:24PM
I play a warrior and don't have a pally.
I really, really hope you guys don't get nerfed. Pallies and Shamans are the two most mistreated classes by blizz (pallies more than shaman historically imo).
You guys really deserved to be OP and I agree with the article: if I was a pally right now I'd be a bit nervous if I knew how bad Blizz hit you guys with the nerf stick in vanilla.
I really hope you guys don't get nerfed.
jaenicoll Feb 19th 2009 1:56PM
Is this a joke?
Jason Currall Feb 18th 2009 8:26PM
Personally I couldn't give a rats about Arenas but I'm struggling to keep up with Resto Shammies as it is. /pleasenomorenerfforholykkthxbb :(
Kanuris Feb 18th 2009 8:29PM
Zach... seriously. Divine Illumination is a deep Holy talent. Please remember to play the class you write a column about rather than your alts.
I'll assume this was a late night, no sleep for hours typo issue and that you meant Spiritual Attunement.
Zach Feb 19th 2009 2:10AM
Sigh. Yes, I did. Glad one of the more sober guys corrected it for me. Ghostcrawler was referring to Spiritual Attunement. I've no idea I messed up there... I went right back to sleep after writing it.z
WoWie Zowie Feb 18th 2009 8:29PM
are you kidding me???
i only have 2 toons! a dps (my main, mage) and a healer/tank (my paly)
and guess what, that is NOT going to f-ing change!
so lemme get this right, they're gonna bring classes down, o sorry i mean "balance" classes until u are basicslly forced to play a different class just to survive.
no!
im not rolling a stupid drood (sham priest)healer! so count me as a perma paly. who out there is going to level another toon just because bliz wants u to?? paly dominance will not change if they are truly balanced because people already have high lvl palies!
the only way to stop people from playing their fav is to destroy the class beyond balance >=(
Michael Feb 19th 2009 4:07PM
The continuous mistreatment of certain classes is exactly why I have now leveled a Spriest(main), prot pally, resto sham, and combat rogue. Usually one or 2 classes really gets crapped on every expansions so I tried to cover my bases.