8 things raiding guilds want from their applicants

While reading these, I was reminded of comments I've seen on guild applications during my time as a raider. Some simply expand upon the points addressed by Casual Hardcore and Matticus; others were slightly different sentiments people were prone to airing whenever they recognized certain undesirable patterns. I've never been a recruitment officer (my guild leader has correctly observed that, as a soft touch, I would cheerfully rubber-stamp every match-girl, axe-murderer, and mortgage lender on the server), but over time it's been hard not to get a sense of what that person would want to see when they open a new application:
1. Before you even apply, save yourself (and the guild) some time and figure out whether they're really what you want.
"Barry, didn't you meet this guy in a heroic VH before? I thought you said he was looking for a weekend raiding guild. There's no way he could make more than 50% attendance."
Do you prefer 10-mans or 25-mans? What's their schedule? Have you pugged with guild members previously, and what did you think of them? If you're a parent, are there other parents in the guild who will understand the need to take an occasional urgent /AFK? Are you OK with frequent pauses while raiding, or do you consider it a bad night if you've had to spend more than three hours doing a full Naxx clear?This is more about you and your preferences than it is about them. If they've enjoyed a modicum of raiding success or they've just been around for a while (especially the latter), something about their system clearly works, and they're a lot more likely to change your gameplay than you are to change theirs. Something you don't like about them before you even apply is only going to get magnified once the guild's on progression content, you've wiped all night, trash respawns have just popped, and tempers are fraying. Save yourself the inevitable messy /gquit and don't apply if deep down you know you're not a good fit.
2. Raiding guilds often have a dedicated officer or member who handles recruitment. Conduct as much of your application business as possible through this person, even if you know the GM or members.
"Yep, I told the officer you were going to apply. She just said she's still waiting on your application at the website. Could you excuse me? I hate to be rude, I'm just in the middle of an Oculus run."
If you know the GL or an officer of the guild you'd like to join personally, by all means send a private inquiry and let them know if you've decided to apply. Otherwise, stick to the guild's preestablished channels. Your case will almost certainly be dealt with a lot faster if it goes to the person who does nothing but handle recruits. If the guild leader isn't handling recruitment personally, it's probably a safe bet that he/she doesn't really have the time for it, and while members usually exercise some influence (often a lot of influence) over whether you're admitted, they won't ultimately be the person to say yes or no.

3. Don't lie. Most guilds have the resources to find out if you're telling the truth.
"No way did that guy get through Sunwell. One of the officers for the last guild he's listing said they kicked him at Kalecgos. He threw a temper tantrum when the bracers he wanted went to a healer who was still using the badge ones. Do we really want to deal with that?"
Raiding guilds often maintain a sort of weirdly professional relationship with each other. Members will have swapped between them, the officers may already know each other, and there's often a friendly (or not so friendly) rivalry between them. On my realm, there's even a decent amount of cross-faction communication, which was how we found out that an applicant who had rerolled Horde from a major Alliance guild was an inveterate guild-hopper: "Thank you for your application, but we do not feel we are a good fit for you at this time."
If you don't tell the truth on your application, odds are good that whoever's reading it will find out. People like nothing better than to swap gossip over why someone's really leaving a guild, and this is 100 times more true if you've pulled some stunt in the past that pissed them off.
4. Corollary to #3: the person in charge of saying "yes" or "no" has a very strong incentive to make sure you're not lying or exaggerating on your application.
"Yeah, I know the last pally we got didn't work out so well. You tell me every day."
If you get accepted and then don't show up to raids or underperform when you do, the recruitment officer's not going to be happy about it. From their perspective, you represent a mistake on their part, and that may cause trouble for them. They don't want to bring people into the guild who reflect badly on their judgment. Keep that in mind while writing your application and during the trial period (whether it's a formal or informal one) after your acceptance. You want to reassure the guild that you are a safe bet. See #8.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Redcoat Feb 19th 2009 9:31AM
You should be the person writing the Guild/Officer columns. This is an excellent article that should be a requirement for ANYONE interested in ANY type of raiding in WoW. It's informative without being overbearing. It's authoritative without scaring the reader into canceling the account and switching to Hello Kitty Island Adventure. Excellent job.
Hal Feb 19th 2009 9:55AM
Are you kidding? Hello Kitty Island Adventure is where the real hardcore raiders go these days. None of this EZ-Mode raiding crap there.
Munterino Feb 19th 2009 10:25AM
nice one :)
btw, what is the mount on the third picture from top? They are very nice. thx
Morfessa Feb 19th 2009 10:58AM
That would the the Reins of the Raven Lord. Heroic Sethekk Halls, last boss. Used to be only summonable by druids. Low drop rate. Good luck ;)
Allison Robert Feb 19th 2009 11:03AM
^ What Morfessa wrote, although Anzu (the summonable third boss of heroic Sethekk) is still only summonable with an item from the Druid swift flight form quest, I think. My guild's tree Druid and I were both independently farming it. I got mine about two weeks ago, he got his about a week ago, and then I tanked a heroic Sethekk for some people to get their heroic Outland achievements done, and damn if the thing didn't drop again for our ret pally!
Michael Feb 19th 2009 11:22AM
I am in a casual raiding guild that has Naxx 10 and 25 on farm. One thing that has been bothering me alot lately is not so much caarrying undergeared people through, its when those last couple of upgrades that I need drop and one of those undergeared people get it instead of me.
Now I have no issues giving them huge upgrades but they can't seem to live through boss fights. Seriously, Heigan is NOT hard, why do you keep dying? And sometimes they take shit that is a good upgrade for me while they are getting a very minor upgrade. If I am bidding on something I will usually ask those that are bidding against me what they have, if it is a huge upgrade for them I stop bidding.
I guess what I am saying is that for me the biggest thing is a little consideration when running with guildies. I do have some guild mates on ignore and refuse to run with some unless in raid. Is it too much to ask for a little give and take from my guild mates? Or am I being selfish?
Xlade Feb 19th 2009 12:30PM
I know how frustrating that can be. My guild is big enough that we had three sets of ten mans being run all at the same time (casual family raiding guild for the late start win!) and we run on a points system where you can bid need or greed, and the person who's been building up the most points gets it. Slightly frustrating to see a token drop and know my Guild Leader is going to get it, by did of his having points from all the way back to Kara (when I never raided till Wrath). But at the same time, I know that I'm steadily piling up the points and the next time it drops, I could have a chance at it.
I guess in your case there's some patience needed. And if you're healing, let them die.
zappo Feb 19th 2009 12:58PM
This sounds like a short comming of your loot distribution system. Obviously you have one, since you bid on items. Keep in mind that loot distribution is also supposed to reward people for attending, not just to gear people up.
Are you being selfish? Maybe. But you might want to check into how loot distribution is done and discuss it with others in your guild.
The Claw Feb 19th 2009 4:00PM
What happened to the 20+ comments that were on this story an hour ago?
Redcoat Feb 19th 2009 5:38PM
I know the first comment was a "first" post, as mine was the second this morning. Glad to see someone is cleaning up the comments.
The Claw Feb 19th 2009 5:43PM
My comment was a gleaming insightful jewel, though, not a first post or anyone replying to it. Ah well, can't be bothered re-typing it if someone with a clumsy hand on the delete button is just going to delete random comments anyway.