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2-20-2009 @ 1:12PM
This is something that is fine to do when you have the instance on farm. Otherwise your setting up certain people for failure by not allowing mana regen or prepping.
2-20-2009 @ 1:19PM
Luckily Wrath started at farm status.
2-20-2009 @ 1:33PM
If you can't handle a trash pull unbuffed and at 2/3 overall raid mana, you more than likely don't belong in the instance. It's called trash for a reason.
2-20-2009 @ 1:47PM
Well. In a 25 man you'd probably be fine with a decent group in most cases. I know my guild pulls without people all the time....However we basically have all of the raids on farm or near farm status. Now take a 10 man naxx run with one healer oom, 2 people dead, using some DK dps as a tank, and they pull a set of adds... There is a phail. You're right a skilled guild wouldn't let this happen. But then again... Would a skilled guild really find any useful information that they didn't already know in this post?
2-20-2009 @ 1:52PM
It's really true. Even with progression fightsAdmittedly you don't move at nearly the speed they are doing in the video on progression fights, but the same concept holds true.The sooner the trash gets dead, the sooner you can reach the boss. The sooner you reach the boss, the more attempts you will have to wipe on the boss to help your raid learn it before trash begins respawning and you have to start over again.The key point to progression raiding is NOT farming old stuff. It's learning new content. The more time you spend on new content, and the less time you spend on old content, the better.Remember. New content drops better loot than the content you've already cleared. The vast majority of time, less time you spend on farm content, the better.
2-20-2009 @ 1:58PM
@karilyn"Remember. New content drops better loot than the content you've already cleared. "Really... your right. I had forgotten that.Just because its on farm, doesn't mean we run it every week. If we run naxx10 at all anymore, its like one of our tanks and a healer plus a bunch of the newer 80's. This week we've cleared EoE10, Naxx10, OS/VOA10, and we are going to clear naxx25 and everything else as well except EoE25. If everything new is clear, what do you expect someone to run? Kara?
2-20-2009 @ 3:01PM
@TylerFirst, it's kind of silly to say "This week we're going to clear all the easy content except for Malygos who we won't be attempting. What do you expect us to do, Kara?" Secondly, one of the major pitfalls a lot of raiding guilds find themselves falling in to is farming easy content because some of their members can still find upgrades there. A mentality of "We can't do the next raid until everyone has every possible upgrade out of the old raid" can ensue.A reminder that progression content doesn't only drop loot but drops new and better loot isn't a bad thing.
2-20-2009 @ 3:27PM
Well, i'm not saying we will continue to run an instance until we find every possible upgrade. We run it to get the undergeared members geared. Im most of the way to the Epic achievement and we have brought people wearing many blues into 25 man naxx and still downed all four wings with the exception to thaddius last week due to the fact that we were bringing people who didn't understand the charges with us. Newer raids dropping new gear is a great thing. I am misunderstanding where i'm apparently projecting that it isn't.
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