Ask a Lore Nerd: Yeah, I've been working out
Welcome to Ask a Lore Nerd, where each week blogger and columnist Alex Ziebart answers your questions about the lore and history of the World of Warcraft. Ask your questions in the comments section below, and we'll try to answer it in a future edition.Last week I answered a question about the Kor'kron and I messed it up a wee bit, which I don't mind admitting. I said that the Kor'kron were all Orcs, but I didn't notice that in Wrath of the Lich King it actually includes a number of Trolls. The Kor'kron were originally only really seen in Thrall's throne room originally, they were his personal guard at the time and 100% Orcs. In Wrath, they've apparently spread out and include a couple of the other races as well.
So who makes up the Kor'kron? The Orcs primarily. Trolls secondary, and there are also a few Tauren and Taunka thrown in as well. I haven't seen any Undead or Blood Elves among the Kor'kron yet, they seem to keep to their own little militaries for now.
frostymage asked...
Why aren't the Knights of the Ebon Blade flying the Acherus to Northrend? It said in one of the DK starter quests that it could destroy Naxxramas.
In the starter zone, Acherus had a lot more support than it does right now. If you just look at who's all in Acherus in the beginning of those quests, it's a lot of really powerful Scourge figures. There are a number of Naxxramas bosses there, and even more. Darion Mograine, the San'layn, the Scourge's Horsemen and Archers, Baron Rivendare, the entirety of the Ebon Blade (pre-split, of course), a Frost Wyrm escort and the Lich King himself. The Acherus offensive was far, far more reinforced than Naxxramas, and far more capable of an all out offensive on a Scarlet Stronghold.
Most of those things are not aboard Acherus anymore. It's really pretty empty now, and all that's left is the Death Knights and a single Lich. Acherus is undermanned and not nearly as reinforced as it was before.
Note that there's a disconnect between in-game powerful and story powerful when I talk about the figures that were originally with Acherus. Sure, we beat most of the San'layn in 5-man dungeons rather than raids, but story-wise that doesn't necessarily make them less powerful than, say, a few Naxxramas bosses. You just can't have everything in a raid zone, right?
Nellius asked...
I have a question about Sartharion. During the encounter (with all 3 drakes still alive) one of them (can't remember which one) says "Father was right about you, Sartharion, you are a weakling!" Firstly, this implies that the three drakes are all siblings. Is this right? Secondly, who is their father? Is he important? Will we see him in a raid encounter in the future?
The father they are referring to is Deathwing (also known as Neltharion), the mastermind behind most of the Black Dragonflight's plots. He's also the Aspect of that flight. Since the Black Dragonflight created the Twilight Drakes, he qualifies as their 'father' and they would be siblings in this generation of Drakes.
Deathwing certainly qualifies as important, he's had his hand in a lot of major story events over the years. He's been a villain in the Warcraft story since the very beginning. I have no doubt we'll fight him someday. Eventually.
ROB13 asked...
In a recent Hyjal run (Which I loved) a question came to me. Why are we even in Hyjal? In every single other Caverns of Time run, the Infinite Dragonflight are stepping in for some reason, to stop the future that we live in. But at Mount Hyjal, there is no sign of them altering anything, or even being there! So why are we even bothering to go on in? Other than fat lewts and fun.
We go there for fat lewts and fun. No, seriously. We do. We can make up reasons and stories and all of that, but there really is no given lore reason why we go in there. In fact, Drysc specifically stated awhile back that the Infinite Dragonflight has nothing to do with the instance and we're not interacting with history. We're pretty much tourists in that zone. Tourists with swords and guns.
Drysc's full quote on the subject: "It's a "time pocket" if you will. There's no intended link to the Infinite Dragonflight or their dastardly deeds of altered timeways, and you're not literally interacting with history. It's simply a way for players to experience some of the larger moments in Warcraft history, and admittedly the Mount Hyjal instance isn't really linked to the world for any rhyme or reason. The timeway presented itself, it's an amazing opportunity to be there and experience such a major event, and Archimonde drops phat purples."
Now you know.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 5)
Robert Feb 23rd 2009 2:11PM
What's the likelihood of there being a Scarlet Onslaught dungeon they seem to be a large presence in Northrend it seems a waste for there not to be one.
Woif Feb 23rd 2009 2:20PM
I would say no chance. You basicly DESTROY whats left of them in icecrown. if ya dunno what happens I wont say. But they are basicly gone.
Robert Feb 23rd 2009 2:27PM
Aww thats a shame i loved SM it's still one of my favourite dungeons even after the 40 million times i've run it. A new one would have been fun
Dightkuz Feb 23rd 2009 5:34PM
I approve of the concept of a 5 man Scarlet Onslaught-dungeon in Northrend. You may live, Robert.
naixdra Feb 23rd 2009 2:15PM
Good read Mr. Z
As for my question; Why do the Orcs call Draenor, Draenor? Didn't the draenei show up out of nowhere and called it that, so why would the native orcs adopt the name given to it by outsiders (and still refer to it after their attempted annihilation of said outsiders)
Thats all
Gnosh Feb 23rd 2009 2:21PM
Loose ends from a ridiculous, poorly-thought-out retcon
DOWN WITH SPACEGOATS
Lerot Feb 23rd 2009 2:23PM
I guess they didnt really had name for the planet, and they just adopted the world
epsilon343 Feb 23rd 2009 2:24PM
I'd hazard to guess it's just because that's the name that caught on with the other races. But I'm not even close to being an expert on the lore so I'm probably wrong.
AyaJulia Feb 23rd 2009 2:29PM
Actually, the Draenei were settled on Draenor for thousands of years and watched the Orcs evolve from their primal unorganized origins to the structured clans of the pre-Horde history. Velen even commented to Orgrim and Durotan once that the Draenei were very impressed with how the Orcs as a race had evolved.
So, sure, they were outsiders... but they were outsiders who had been there since the dawn of the Orcs' memory and history, to the point where the Naaru vessel in Nagrand (Oshu'gun) was a sacred ancient burial site for them.
All of this is covered in the book "Rise of the Horde." Give it a read sometime if the lore of the Orcs, Draenei, the Legion, or the Lich King (that is, Ner'zhul) interest you. I really enjoyed it.
naixdra Feb 23rd 2009 2:58PM
@AyaJulia
Wow thats news to me, I suppose I better finish Day/Night of the Dragon so I can pick it up.
captainandro Feb 23rd 2009 3:03PM
Given how Draenei literally means "exile", then Draenor would probably mean "world of the exiles", which is still a very appropriate name given the cultures of virtually all the members of Draenor.
Those that are displeased with the Draenei naming probably refer to it as its other name - Outland.
Elionene Feb 23rd 2009 3:27PM
I'm sorry, but the information above about the Draenei being on the orc home world for thousands of years is simply not true. I've read Rise of the Horde, and it and every other lore source puts the Draenei landing on Draenor about 250 years before present time.
The Orcs did not have a name for their planet. They began referring it as Draenor because that's what the Draenei called and they had interactions through trading and what not.
Draenor does indeed mean Exile's Refuge.
I highly recommend reading Rise of the Horde for more on the beginnings of the Draenei, and their interconnectedness to the Orcs.
AyaJulia Feb 23rd 2009 3:59PM
"I'm sorry, but the information above about the Draenei being on the orc home world for thousands of years is simply not true."
You don't have to be so harsh about it, ffs. I hadn't read it for a while and my memory was off, so I picked it up and looked. Don't assume someone is intentionally spreading misinformation. It was one line that I might've missed the first time, or perhaps I just assumed that the fact that the orcs hadn't MET the draenei didn't necessarily mean they weren't THERE. Don't remember, but here's the text.
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"The draenei have never withheld information, young Durotan. But . . . I believe you may be the first who has ever asked. What do you wish to know?"
Everything, Durotan wanted to stay [sic], but instead focused his question. "The orcs had never met the draenei until two hundred summers past. Restalaan said you came here in a great vessel that can travel the skies. Tell me more of this."
Velen took a sip of the beverage that tasted like summer to Durotan and smiled. "To begin with, 'draenei' is not our true name. It is a term that means . . . 'exiled ones.'"
Durotan gaped.
"We disagreed with others in our world. We chose not to sell out people into slavery, and for that we were exiled. We have spent much time finding a suitable place to dwell--a place to call our own. We fell in love with this land, and we call it Draenor."
Durotan nodded. He had heard this term before. He liked how it sat on this tongue when he spoke it, and the orcs did not have a name for this place other than "world."
"It is our term, we have not the arrogance to think the orcs would use it as well. But such we have dubbed it, and we love Draenor deeple. It is a beautiful world, and we have seen many."
Hansbo Feb 23rd 2009 4:24PM
Way to overreact.
He wasn't harsh, he was simply saying that what you said wasn't true. And it wasn't. I hardly think it was personal.
AyaJulia Feb 23rd 2009 4:38PM
Ehh, "I'm sorry, but..." has always felt extremely patronizing and rude to me. :) If someone was truly sorry about something, they wouldn't say it or they'd soften it up a little. Probably half the problem is that it's text, void of vocal inflection, but I still have disdain for people who say this in real life. No one has to agree.
Regardless... </offtopic>
Grubba Feb 23rd 2009 4:53PM
I'm sorry, but you overreacted.
dfgreat1 Feb 23rd 2009 6:10PM
Ok, maybe a slight overreaction, but when someone says "simply not true" about something you said, I think that strongly implies lying. I have a problem with that phrase and i think a lot of people use it without realizing that they sound pretty confrontational.
Kanubis Feb 23rd 2009 6:32PM
Pure speculation, with no evidence... but maybe the exiled 'Eredar' chose a new name for themselves derived from the planet they finally settled on?
Cholestria Feb 23rd 2009 2:22PM
During children's week, we escort Dornaa to the dragon Zaladormu in COT who then stops the guards from killing her saying that the child is not responsible for what she will do in the future. Does anyone know what she will do in the future and if we'll face her one day?
Eddy Feb 23rd 2009 2:37PM
This actually comes up in discussions from time to time. Both Dornaa and Salandria are thought to be more important than they seem at first (and have been remembered in Shiny Copper Coins in the Dalaran fountain).
I imagine they will become great enemies or great friends. I'm sure they'll come back in more plot someday- the coins at least are proof that Blizzard hasn't forgotten the two little girls.