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2-26-2009 @ 2:49PM
One of the impressions I'm getting from your responses is that you think Amanitar is just going to sit there and /dance or something while Eck is bouncing around the field. He's not. He melees and casts Poison Sprays of his own.Now, of course I'm not saying that Amanitar is a genius. He's pretty unintelligent as well in my opinion but the fact that he has AoE damage slinging around in addition to his normal Poisonbolt volleys means that he's going to out produce Eck's damage in many cases.Another factor you're not counting on is Eck's own ability arsenal. Eck's Disgusting Spray is an AoE attack, making it quite possible that Eck will end up destroying some mushrooms, including the buffing mushrooms, in each attack. In my experience in the encounter, destroying the buffing mushroom isn't a mistake you can afford to make, and both Consecration and Desecration pop those suckers, so I don't see why Eck's spray wouldn't kill them too.When it comes down to it, there's probably a lot more luck involved in this match up then either you or I'd like to admit. Where does the mushrooms spawn? Is Eck truly intelligent enough to discern the good shrooms from the bad ones. We all know what happens when you take a trip with a bad shroom. In my opinion, while I agree that Eck can make good judgments on whom to wail on, I don't think that Eck will realize that some mushrooms are good and some are bad in time. He'll probably try to avoid all mushrooms, and when he realizes he can't he'll panic and that will do him in.I assume that Entangle works in Boss Versus Boss encounters because both of these bosses are relative nobodies in Warcraft Lore. I don't see them as "bad ass" enough to have avoidance Mechcanics in the Boss Versus Boss fights, as Boss Crowd Control is usually much better then Player Crowd Control.Maiden's Repentance is AoE, Aran's Polymorph doesn't restore health, many bosses do an AoE entangle, and bosses with Frost Trap do it on a much shorter cooldown as some examples. Now, if we were talking about Illidan or Kil'Jaeden versus Amanitar, I'd assume that both of them are bad-ass enough to break out of Entangle. Illidan is the Lord of Outland. Eck is a giant Gorloc.
2-26-2009 @ 6:23PM
Well, that is pretty much how Amanitar acts when I fight him. Of course, that's true of most bosses, so it's something we ignore. In this case though, you've presented your position of how Amanitar would fight. I'm seeing some flaws in that, as well as a lack of consideration for Eck, so I'm saying how I disagree. Try not to make too much of what you think I'm not saying though. I may just see no reason to say what you've already said.But if you wish me to explicitly concur that Amanitar could try to use those tactics, fine. He could, those would be wise things for the boss to try. Against some bosses, that might even spell inevitable victory. But Eck can use his own abilities to counter those of Amanitar. Jump out of the roots, close the distance to Amanitar. Vomit over nearby mushrooms, clear out the bad, get the buff from the good. Really, if you assume Amanitar can think of an ideal strategy to use against Eck, then why can't Eck think of a counter-strategy to use against Amanitar? Dumbness? But you've said they're both short on brains. So either put them on the same field, and don't try to make it some fancy strategic game, or give them the same advantage of strategy. And no, nothing bad happens when you destroy the poisonous mushrooms, so that means nothing. And given that Eck is apparently able to produce quite a copious amount of rather powerful digestive acids, I don't think it's reasonable to assume he'd risk organ failure from biting the mushrooms either. Even if so, that'd be days later if not weeks. Which might make for a satisfying victory in its way, but outside the scope of the discussion. So at the worst, Eck gets some healthy mushrooms in his AOE but is too far away to get their buff. Fine, but he can jump to others around him if he gets mini'd. This also invalidates any particular bad luck when it comes to mushroom spawns, since he can jump to a safe location.Sorry, but I just don't see your reasoning as persuasive, and also, I think you've missed a vital point about these discussions. The bosses are given a rough parity, so it doesn't matter whether it's Eck, Illidan or Van Cleef duking it out, at least in terms of power. In terms of their specific abilities, well, that is what matters, though in some cases we may need to make allowances. The trick is to keep them roughly equal.In this case, I just don't see you being fair to Eck.
2-26-2009 @ 6:25PM
Oh, and I don't know about you, but I've done just fine in the fights without caring much about the mushrooms at all. I don't think I've ever deliberately killed a healthy mushroom.
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