I must say I agree with John to an extent. I was never a hardcore raider, we could only do 10 man with my guild, so we cleared Kara and ZA in TBC, we were sooo extatic when we cleared ZA pre-nerf, just the week before even. I remember the flame wreath issues on Aran, I remember the sheer joy and excitement of our first Kara runs. All.... gone. Naxx is not nearly as exciting. Everything is a one shot, even for a bunch of noobs like us. I LOVE that everything is accessible to 10 players now, that was a very good move on Blizz' part. But that should have been the line with dumbing down content. They should have not made it piss easy like they have now. The sense of accomplishment has just vaporised.

They aced the quests, phasing is godly, lore behind it is very enjoyable. Achievements are fun for those who are interested in them. I couldn't care less, but that doesn't mean they annoy me. But to just say raids are still hard because they have achievements to them now... it is not valid. Because it is still the same old content.

So when people say only hardcore raiders are disappointed by the raid content, that is not true, casuals also like a challenge every now and then. Get rid of attunements, okay, but just... don't make it a walk in the park. Achievements are a nice bonus, but they shouldn't be the only thing that gives the fulfilment to raiders in my opinion.

I love the expansion, but this bothers me, the raiding content. I will always have enough to do because I try out every aspect of the game, and because I spend a lot of time with roleplay, but I do not think the 'casual' excuse should justify making everything easy and diminishing the joy for those that like a challenge.