Are achievements optional?

The thread asked: are achievements optional?
This is a loaded question, for sure, so what I'm going to do is look at three different types of players and analyze what achievements mean for each of them. But of course to begin, it should just be said that any achievement is completely optional in the game. You don't need them, they deliver nothing to you that's necessary for your character to progress.
The Casual
The casual is the person who chooses to play the game at their own pace for a little or as much as they want. The casual rarely, if ever, make appointments or schedule in game activities with other people. The casual may or may not be in a guild, and that's just fine. The casual is there to enjoy the game on their own terms.
For a casual, achievements are completely optional. Since they are just another way to potentially enjoy the game, there is really no incentive to achieve them beyond personal satisfaction. Now some casuals might want to get as many achievements as they possibly can, and that's cool. But they likely won't fret if they can't get a black proto-drake.
The Moderate
The moderate is the person who chooses to play the game more seriously than the casual. He will attempt to do things that are difficult, but not put in 20 hours a week of play time just to do them. The moderate is probably in a guild and enjoys the connections he's established there.
For a moderate, I can see achievements still being optional. It's likely the moderate player hangs out with other moderate players, so if he's not caring about the number of achievement points he's likely not to face any sort of peer pressure to get them. And at that point, he's equal with the rest of the group and there is very little social incentive to advance.
The Hard Core
The hard core player is a person who strives to do the content fast, perfect, and in the hardest modes. He will attempt to get as many achievement points as necessary to not be a joke, and will at least have enough points to be looked at respectively by his peers.
Of course his peers are members of his guild, who are likely to share his view points. Thus having 4,000+ achievement points is looked at as normal, and having 5,000 or more would be seen as something desirable. This could come further into play in that if he ever wanted to switch guilds, the new guild would obviously look back upon his achievements to determine his worthiness at inclusion in their social group.
After all, what better way to tell if someone knows heroic and raids than to see if they've gotten The Immortal?
So for the hard core player, achievements are definitely not optional.
Conclusion
In the end, it all comes down to what social group and in-game group you're with. Casual and moderate players probably won't be faced with pressure to care very much about their achievements. Hard core players will, on the other hand, face pressure to have as many "hard core" achievements as possible.
Now it could be argued (and I personally think correctly) that this is all just a social construct by Blizzard to get players to spend more time in the game working towards truly pointless goals – and that achievements are the very definition of things that don't matter. There's some truth to that for sure, but at the end of the day, the question of "Are achievement s optional?" really comes down to what your peers thinks.
That, or your just a crabby old man who doesn't give a flyin' hoot about what other people think. /wink
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Achievements






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 6)
Blazetek Mar 17th 2009 5:06PM
I cant stand achievments myself
Plastic Rat Mar 17th 2009 10:20PM
Don't really mind other people enjoying achievements. I mean, hey, whatever makes the game fun for you, as long as it's not taking away anything from other people's enjoyment.
What annoys me is when people don't get that I really couldn't give a crap about achievements. Running through Scarlet Monastary and my groupmates are yelling "BOOK HERE! GET THE BOOK FOR THE ACHIEVEMENT!" and they're frantically flipping through each book without actually reading it. Isn't the whole point of having the books around to get the story from them? The extra bit of world depth?
Just seems utterly retarded to me. I guess it just goes to show most people will do anything if you dangle something shiny in front of them.
I do however quite like some achievements, such as 'The Immortal". Those are actually really Achievements. You accomplished something to get that. It's an acknowledgment of your skill. Still not something I'm going to chase to the exclusion of everything else.
Gareth Mar 18th 2009 1:00PM
They are optional completely for me, having 5000 points does not mean much beyond you've killed X number of turkeys or enjoyed Warsong Gulch sometimes. I guess with surety all you can say it does mean is the player is experienced and dedicated to the game, not that they are any good at it.
And this would have been a great place to put a poll, just a yes no one would do.
NiM Mar 18th 2009 6:03AM
I completly agree with Plastic Rat. Most of the achievments are complete bullshit. Shiny baubles if you will, and it irritates me to no end when people are running around the countryside without being interested in it to get some stupid achievment done, an 'achievment' by the way that in no way should ever be qualifiesd as one.
So in that respect i consider the achievment points to be complete and utter crap.
There are a few though that do stand out, and these would be the same achievments that were valued before, because they actually did mean something. That you had cleared certain content and were thus more likely to also have mastered it.
Do i put any weight in achievments? None whatsoever. When recruiting a new player i always try to judge the persons character. As i've always said, experience and gear can be gained, skill can be learned, but personality you're stuck with.
Relk Mar 18th 2009 9:47AM
I appreciate your viewpoints, but I disagree. Even the achievements that I wouldn't try (the pvp ones mostly) are not bull. Why is "The Immortal" a real achievement, but "Well Read" is crap? What if you play the game to RP and don't raid at all? Is it still crap even though that person takes pride in his "Well Read" and "Loremaster" achievements?
If you read the thread that was referenced, you'd see that the OP agreed that all achievements are optional. He also said that pvp is optional, heroic dungeons are optional, even doing a single quest is optional. If you wanted to, you could stay at level 1 the entire time that you play this game and buy and sell on the auction house exclusively. Does that mean that playing that way is required? No.
His real problem was changing the achievement rewards without real notice. I agree. How would we like it if Blizzard would say, "OK, Naxx is obsolete now, all loot is being removed and added to Ulduar. If you haven't completed Naxx by now, you can still run the dungeon, but the bosses will not drop loot or emblems."
I personally hope that they don't change "What a Long Strange Trip it's been" before I get the mount. I would list myself in the moderate player category, but I strangely become hardcore around the holidays.
Shuth Mar 19th 2009 12:49AM
I somewhat agree with PlasticRat. I disagree on stuff like Immortal - you can be let down by ONE person in a group of 25. That's not a testament to your skill, that's having to rely on 24 people to not screw up over 2-3 hrs and that's just stupid. If it was self-based, it would be easier but it would also be a testament to YOUR skill.
Slog Mar 17th 2009 5:08PM
Personally, I would fall under moderate.
That said my achievement points hit 1600 last night. They keep spice to my game at times when I feel it's getting tedious.
Ferarro Mar 17th 2009 5:09PM
They're as optional as seatbelts.
Antistes Mar 17th 2009 5:54PM
I find this analogy strangely appealing.
The casual:
Spend most days slouching at home in his sofa, rarely takes his old Volvo out for a spin. If he does, it's to and from teh supermarket. He will not normally wear a seatbelt, feels no social pressure to do so and might only do it for that comforting safe driver feeling - a personal satisfaction. The casual won't be bothered that he won't get his black proto Saab. He is also likely to be killed by an unattentive driver when making a left turn on his way from the store.
The moderate:
The moderate spend his mornings and afternoon in his car en route home or to the office. He drives often and fast, but not too fast. He likes to wear a seatbelt and will if he sees an opporunity to do so. He also experience mild peer pressure when car-pooling.
The hard core:
The hard core has done em all. He dries as fast as he can and as often as he can. Wearing seatbelts is part of his daily routine. He will gladly show off to his peers wearing not only regular seatbelts, but fancy 5-point belts. The ones you can only find together with really epic mounts. WROOM!
... I might've gotten a bit carried away there. :)
Angel Mar 17th 2009 6:11PM
You know what, You just made my day! Good job Antistes!
Awsome :D!
Ferarro Mar 17th 2009 6:41PM
/cheers
I'm glad someone understood it. =)
Tanktard Aug 24th 2009 10:51AM
You sound just like Dara O'Briain, Antistes.
Antistes Mar 17th 2009 7:15PM
@Tanktard
I've never even heard of the man. Scandalous, I know, but the reception of my TV isn't quite so good in frigid Gothenburg, that I can tune in to British or Irish channels :)
I still take it as a compliment.
Bifron Mar 17th 2009 5:09PM
I'd consider myself, from an achievement point of you around Hard Core. I try and get every achievement possible and the only one's that seem to be currently out of reach are the raid ones.
They also provide some entertainment when I'm online and bored.
Monnkeyboy Mar 17th 2009 5:44PM
"Point of VIEW"
WoWie Zowie Mar 17th 2009 5:58PM
lmao point of you
jbodar Mar 17th 2009 8:32PM
That's right up there with a "mute point".
http://languagerules.wordpress.com/2006/09/25/moot-point-not-mute-point/
Dooka Mar 18th 2009 2:31AM
Haha. Right up there with "for all intensive purposes" instead of "all intents and purposes."
God that one irks me.
I'mnotgivingmynametoamachine Mar 18th 2009 10:06AM
wow, all this about a comment typo. I'm frankly a little surprised nobody has pointed out:
"and will at least have enough points to be looked at respectively by his peers."
in the article. So... his peers take turns looking at him in a certain order that was implied earlier?
Strange that commenters are held to higher standards of grammar than the posters.
jbodar Mar 19th 2009 5:39AM
@Imnotgivingetc.
You actually read the articles? ;) I kid, I kid, WI.
Also, I don't think it counts as a "typo". A typo is a "fat-fingering" the keyboard or something similar. Typing the wrong word on purpose because you are using a phrase that you clearly don't understand (but use anyway), is not a typo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typo