Don't really mind other people enjoying achievements. I mean, hey, whatever makes the game fun for you, as long as it's not taking away anything from other people's enjoyment.

What annoys me is when people don't get that I really couldn't give a crap about achievements. Running through Scarlet Monastary and my groupmates are yelling "BOOK HERE! GET THE BOOK FOR THE ACHIEVEMENT!" and they're frantically flipping through each book without actually reading it. Isn't the whole point of having the books around to get the story from them? The extra bit of world depth?

Just seems utterly retarded to me. I guess it just goes to show most people will do anything if you dangle something shiny in front of them.

I do however quite like some achievements, such as 'The Immortal". Those are actually really Achievements. You accomplished something to get that. It's an acknowledgment of your skill. Still not something I'm going to chase to the exclusion of everything else.

They are optional completely for me, having 5000 points does not mean much beyond you've killed X number of turkeys or enjoyed Warsong Gulch sometimes. I guess with surety all you can say it does mean is the player is experienced and dedicated to the game, not that they are any good at it.

And this would have been a great place to put a poll, just a yes no one would do.

I completly agree with Plastic Rat. Most of the achievments are complete bullshit. Shiny baubles if you will, and it irritates me to no end when people are running around the countryside without being interested in it to get some stupid achievment done, an 'achievment' by the way that in no way should ever be qualifiesd as one.

So in that respect i consider the achievment points to be complete and utter crap.

There are a few though that do stand out, and these would be the same achievments that were valued before, because they actually did mean something. That you had cleared certain content and were thus more likely to also have mastered it.

Do i put any weight in achievments? None whatsoever. When recruiting a new player i always try to judge the persons character. As i've always said, experience and gear can be gained, skill can be learned, but personality you're stuck with.

I appreciate your viewpoints, but I disagree. Even the achievements that I wouldn't try (the pvp ones mostly) are not bull. Why is "The Immortal" a real achievement, but "Well Read" is crap? What if you play the game to RP and don't raid at all? Is it still crap even though that person takes pride in his "Well Read" and "Loremaster" achievements?

If you read the thread that was referenced, you'd see that the OP agreed that all achievements are optional. He also said that pvp is optional, heroic dungeons are optional, even doing a single quest is optional. If you wanted to, you could stay at level 1 the entire time that you play this game and buy and sell on the auction house exclusively. Does that mean that playing that way is required? No.

His real problem was changing the achievement rewards without real notice. I agree. How would we like it if Blizzard would say, "OK, Naxx is obsolete now, all loot is being removed and added to Ulduar. If you haven't completed Naxx by now, you can still run the dungeon, but the bosses will not drop loot or emblems."

I personally hope that they don't change "What a Long Strange Trip it's been" before I get the mount. I would list myself in the moderate player category, but I strangely become hardcore around the holidays.

I somewhat agree with PlasticRat. I disagree on stuff like Immortal - you can be let down by ONE person in a group of 25. That's not a testament to your skill, that's having to rely on 24 people to not screw up over 2-3 hrs and that's just stupid. If it was self-based, it would be easier but it would also be a testament to YOUR skill.