The Queue: You have been pwned by a grue
by Adam Holisky 
Mar 17th 2009 at 11:00AM
What is a grue?
The grue is a sinister, lurking presence in the dark places of the earth. Its favorite diet is adventurers, but its insatiable appetite is tempered by its fear of light. No grue has ever been seen by the light of day, and few have survived its fearsome jaws to tell the tale. (source)
Jeni asked...
"Regarding the shift in glyphs...what happens if you want to use a Glyph of Levitate in both specs? What if you don't care enough about your off spec to get new glyphs each time you switch specs (for instance, keep your holy glyphs when you switch specs to shadow to quest?) Does it eat up your glyphs anyhow?"
When you purchase dual specs a new glyph pane will activate that is bound to your second spec. It will be empty, and every time you switch to your second spec you'll automatically activate the new glyph pane.
It is not an optional process. You cannot choose to have use just one set of glyphs for each spec. If you want to have the Glyph of Levitate in both specs, then you'll need to include it in both glyph sets. While I know some people disagree with me, I don't really see this as too much of a pain because most of us spend all of 5 minutes buying glyphs for a spec anyways. So one time spending 5 minutes reglyphing isn't too bad.
Ian R asked...
"Do you have to beat the old Vault of Archavon to get to the new one?"
Very unlikely. Blizzard has came out clearly against any sort of attunements for Wrath of the Lich King, and requiring a raid be previously completed before being able to enter or engage in a new one is just another way of saying "attunement."
But with that said, we don't know a whole lot about the new raid, just some pics.
Randron asked...
"How do I change my picture for my comments?"
First, our comment system sucks and I'm sorry that it does. Click on your name as it appears in the comments, this will bring you to a new page. Login with your name and password at that new page. You'll see an option in the upper right hand side to change your picture.
As far as it not working correctly, it can take some time. I changed mine from some stupid gem I found initially back when I started here to an emo picture of myself. I changed the image around 3 months ago and it still isn't showing up all the time. It fails too, and we've complained about it to the people we need to complain to, but that's all we can do.
Namus asked...
"Last night while running Heroic UK with a bunch of friends (DK tank, Spriest, Resto Druid, FF Mage) and a PUG (Spriest), then this dropped from the trash http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44312 since it was our DK's first heroic as a tank it was a clear upgrade for him, so we started to congratulate him (you know, calling him lucky bastard and stuff) when the pugged Spriest started complaining that it was BoE, we all passed on the roll to give it to the DK who rolled need, the priest left party (didn't roll at all) and our druid started whispering to him asking what was the problem and he said that since the item was BoE we all should have the same right to roll on it regardless it was an upgrade for our tank, our druid replied that the usual rules are mainspec over offspec and need before greed in heroics/raids usually and we didn't even think about rolling against a class that was obviously going to use it and not just vendor it, at the end the priest called us a bunch of noobs, the druid called him a greedy bastard blah blah.
My question is: are we a bunch of noobs for giving a BoE random drop for a person that is actually going to use it? or should we have rolled for it since we all could sell it on the AH? what do you guys think?"
TLDR Version: We were running a heroic and pugged a DPS spot. When a tanking item dropped we wanted to give it to our new tank, even though it was a BoE epic. The pugger threw a fit and left, even though we were going to let him roll. Are we a bunch of noobs?
Not really. I would have done the same thing in your situation. Loot drama always amazes me as I see the following as truths:
- Loot doesn't matter in this game. It's clear the game has become about skill and encounter knowledge.
- Loot is just a bunch of pixels on the screen. People are getting angry over pixels. How about instead they turn on the news and get angry about something bad that's happening in the world.
- It's a fraken game.
- The average player spends a good amount of time in-game. How many purples and blues are they going to see in a week? The answer is a lot. The loot will drop again.
- Being a nice guy is more important than getting loot or gold for loot. The benefits from personal relationships you'll develop by being a nice guy vastly outweighs any sort of character development potential.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 8)
Karilyn Mar 17th 2009 11:08AM
It amazes me how many people can't understand the concept of Need before Greed.
Need = To use for oneself
Greed = To sell for money
It doesn't matter if an item is BoE or not, need still comes before greed.
Macbook Mar 17th 2009 11:17AM
I view BoE Epix differently.
As stated in this post, Epics are SO EASY to come by, that BoE epics should be sold for profit, to people that play less. With the few exception of BiS BoE's (hunter bracers and Surge Needle Ring come to mind), other BoEs should not be considered regular loot and just rolled on by who will actually use.
When I lead 10s/25s, I run a macro that says BoE epics are going to my guild for Gbank funded repairs (50g/day). If they don't like it, they can leave.
If a BoE drops in a 5 man, I am sure as hell rolling Need on it, and telling everyone else in group to do the same.
Chances are that DK friend of yours will run Naxx this week, and upgrade those shoulders after a wing or two.
Macbook, http://Moonkin.info
Charlie Mar 17th 2009 11:49AM
@Macbook.
Those are two different situations.
The first can be said to be need just as much as and upgrade would be. It is benefiting your entire guild, just as an upgrade to your tank would benefit the entire guild.
The second, however, is pure greed. It has remifications on on you and does not benefit anyone but yourself.
Need>Greed. That is how loot should work. Period. Money, 99% percent of the time, should not be in the equation. What if that BoE epic is best in slot for the tier of gear thats availible to you?
And to be honest, i'm complety shocked that anyone in this day and age still needs money bad enough that they would take a BoE epic away from someone who needed just to get a measly 1kg.
NovaDeez Mar 17th 2009 11:51AM
Wow, I'm not quite sure I could disagree with you more Macbook. BoE does not mean awful. Just because something is BoE it's still entirely possible it's a significant upgrade for someone.
You suggest the DK in the story will be running Naxx soon and will find an upgrade within a wing or two. Unfortunately the story specifies he's new to heroics and tanking, and isn't going to be able to just jump into Naxx in his leveling gear. The drop was a definite upgrade for him and if I was ever leading a group where a member needed a BoE for profit over someone who needed it for a legit gear upgrade, you'd be kicked and replaced before you even saw the roll.
Hoggersbud Mar 17th 2009 11:58AM
It the epic is decent, you're getting at least 2-3k gold, not 1. If it's best in slot, it could be twice that easy.
RogueJedi86 Mar 17th 2009 12:00PM
Macbook:
How about instead of you taking the loots and doing gbank repairs, I just do my own damn repairs and need on the item if it's an upgrade for me?
I'm with everyone else. I pass if it's a downgrade or I can't use, greed by default if it's boe (if it's an upgrade for someone else, they can roll Need with my blessings). You'd be hard pressed to find me ever rolling need. I'm even weary when an upgrade drops, since you don't want to come across as a greedy ass. If any loot drops that is a definite upgrade for anyone in the group, they can have it, no second thoughts. The entire reason we run the instances is for upgrades to our gear, and sometimes BOE drops are upgrades, so they get equal standing with boss loot in my eyes.
Kassu Mar 17th 2009 12:04PM
The author handled the loot question wrong...
The main focus was that people think that BoE's are for whatever reason outside the Need b4 Greed rules and should always be rolled on by everybody.
I have been accused on ninjaing when I rolled on a BoE cape. I was the only one who needed it, but the puggers thought it was ninjaing to need on a BoE. Too bad that you took the question totally wrong.
Ilnara Mar 17th 2009 12:11PM
@ Macbook : When I lead 10s/25s, I run a macro that says BoE epics are going to my guild for Gbank funded repairs (50g/day). If they don't like it, they can leave.
Ok, wait.. first you say that BOE's should be given to players who don't play a lot so they can vendor/de the item. Then, you say this directly after it.
IMHO, thats even WORSE than what happened in the article.. at least the Priest was offered the opportunity to roll on the item if he wanted.. you apparently won't even give a pug'er that chance.
Hypocrisy much?
SunwellVialist Mar 17th 2009 12:24PM
"It amazes me how many people can't understand the concept of Need before Greed.
Need = To use for oneself
Greed = To sell for money
It doesn't matter if an item is BoE or not, need still comes before greed."
This. This. This. A thousand times this.
Need -always- before greed. It doesn't matter if it's a BOE or a BOP. If it's a clear upgrade for someone, then it goes to that member of the group. It would be stupid to not do that. It doesn't matter if that person upgrades in a week or two (*looking at you, Macbook*), since you cannot *know* he will. He may be one of those people who play very seldom, and this may be his BIS for MONTHs to come.
Bottom line:
Need before Greed. Period.
Freedomfighter Mar 17th 2009 12:28PM
@Charlie
If money is so easy to get, then the other person can logically easily buy the epic off the AH.
JustSomeGuy Mar 17th 2009 12:28PM
It's essentially just conservatives who don't understand the concept. To them, greed rules all.
Tobie Mar 17th 2009 12:30PM
I agree
Sidius Mar 17th 2009 12:36PM
@ Macbook
So wait, I guess at the beginning of every pug, people should:
1) Establish, in order from poorest to richest, the people who need gold
2) Establish a list of what you deem to be BiS equips
You remind me of "that guy" that rolls need on a BoE epic that someone else actually needs and you don't , you win the roll, and then when the whole group starts asking why the hell you did that, you log off.
Yeah...I see what you did there....
Curn Mar 17th 2009 8:14PM
"As stated in this post, Epics are SO EASY to come by, that BoE epics should be sold for profit, to people that play less. With the few exception of BiS BoE's (hunter bracers and Surge Needle Ring come to mind), other BoEs should not be considered regular loot and just rolled on by who will actually use."
Who determines what the exceptions are? Any ilvl213 epic can be a huge upgrade to your raiders, even over other similar items. There's a few Naxx25 drops that are BoE and are better than any other similar Naxx25 BoP drop.
Besides, you're distinguishing between people who play a lot, and people who play less. Who's to say the person who wants it plays enough that another option is easy? Or that he'd wind up shelling out 4k gold to buy it from you on the AH to cover your raid wipes?
Fletch Mar 17th 2009 1:11PM
Personally, I would agree that it is largely irrelevant whether an item is BoE or BoP - if it is an upgrade for someone then I have no problem with them having it whatever it is. However, I have occasionally been in groups (thankfully rarely) where this is has been a contentious issue. Generally, if people are so obsessed with making money from selling the item rather than give it to someone who needs it, then I won't stop them rolling need, though I do feel a little sad inside that people have fallen to such a level of avarice.
Matt J Mar 17th 2009 1:31PM
@JustSomeGuy
It's essentially just liberals who don't understand the concept. To them, greed rules all.
Do you see what I just did there? I made a completely stupid nonsensical statement that has no bearing on the conversation except to validate your warped point of view.
@Macbook
Really? Wow, just wow, you reserving loot on the basis of "it will help me and my guild" is essentially screwing over anyone who is stupid enough to pug with you. I sincerely hope that you post that bull *$%# in raid chat before you get some unsuspecting pugger saved with that steaming pile.
The way I have always seen it done, and it is pretty much standard is (a) BOP item, 1st roll main spec, 2nd roll off-spec, 3rd roll for the shard, (b) BOE item, 1st roll main spec, 2nd roll free roll to sell. There shouldn't be an off-spec roll for a BOE item since the only reason you have BOP off-spec rolls is because the item is just going to waste.
Eisengel Mar 17th 2009 7:44PM
If you need a few thousand gold to pay for repairs... what are you doing? Jumping off of the summoning platform in Naxx for fun? I mean, most of the Sons of Hodir dailies pay out around 13g, they're useful for everyone for those special shoulder chants, and they take about 30 minutes to complete... although it can be longer if there are a lot of people on the oozes and the elementals, but still man, that's easily about 60 gold a day even if you skip those two. Even for a plate-wearer, unless you're hitting Sarth 3D for the first time and intend to pound on it until you get it, are your repair bills ever going to be more than that?
MazokuRanma Mar 17th 2009 11:09AM
Regarding the loot drama issue, we had something similar happen once. Instead of all passing, we all rolled need with the one PUG member, and when one of our other guildmates won it, he just handed it to guy who actually needed it.
The part that's seems really stupid is that these BoE blues really aren't worth that much to AH. I've disenchanted BoE blues because it wasn't worth selling on the AH.
Fyve & Boomstick Mar 17th 2009 6:19PM
This^^
I've not gotten a bluey thats been worth putting on the Ah, 100g max on a good day, when there isnt already four of them on their.
I've had similar problems in a UP run, where a BoE thrown weapon dropped, the rogue asked if he could need as he had a green, we said fine except for the one jackass who kicked up a fuss.
If its an upgrade. then take it with my blessings. Its one less thing that when it comes to picking what dungeons that player needs to do the next day or for the next week, that player can ignore, and isnt that better for everyone?
vexis58 Mar 17th 2009 8:42PM
While this is true of some BoE blues, there are others that are better than some epics pre-raiding. I know there's a spellpower leather chestpiece from Utgarde Pinnacle trash that's best in slot for a resto druid until Naxx, easily sells for 300-400 gold on the AH. There's also a cloak and some cloth shoulders that I would have gladly shelled out that much for before I started raiding.