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3-17-2009 @ 11:08AM
It amazes me how many people can't understand the concept of Need before Greed.Need = To use for oneselfGreed = To sell for moneyIt doesn't matter if an item is BoE or not, need still comes before greed.
3-17-2009 @ 11:17AM
I view BoE Epix differently.As stated in this post, Epics are SO EASY to come by, that BoE epics should be sold for profit, to people that play less. With the few exception of BiS BoE's (hunter bracers and Surge Needle Ring come to mind), other BoEs should not be considered regular loot and just rolled on by who will actually use.When I lead 10s/25s, I run a macro that says BoE epics are going to my guild for Gbank funded repairs (50g/day). If they don't like it, they can leave.If a BoE drops in a 5 man, I am sure as hell rolling Need on it, and telling everyone else in group to do the same.Chances are that DK friend of yours will run Naxx this week, and upgrade those shoulders after a wing or two.Macbook, http://Moonkin.info
3-17-2009 @ 11:49AM
@Macbook.Those are two different situations.The first can be said to be need just as much as and upgrade would be. It is benefiting your entire guild, just as an upgrade to your tank would benefit the entire guild.The second, however, is pure greed. It has remifications on on you and does not benefit anyone but yourself.Need>Greed. That is how loot should work. Period. Money, 99% percent of the time, should not be in the equation. What if that BoE epic is best in slot for the tier of gear thats availible to you?And to be honest, i'm complety shocked that anyone in this day and age still needs money bad enough that they would take a BoE epic away from someone who needed just to get a measly 1kg.
3-17-2009 @ 11:51AM
Wow, I'm not quite sure I could disagree with you more Macbook. BoE does not mean awful. Just because something is BoE it's still entirely possible it's a significant upgrade for someone.You suggest the DK in the story will be running Naxx soon and will find an upgrade within a wing or two. Unfortunately the story specifies he's new to heroics and tanking, and isn't going to be able to just jump into Naxx in his leveling gear. The drop was a definite upgrade for him and if I was ever leading a group where a member needed a BoE for profit over someone who needed it for a legit gear upgrade, you'd be kicked and replaced before you even saw the roll.
3-17-2009 @ 11:58AM
It the epic is decent, you're getting at least 2-3k gold, not 1. If it's best in slot, it could be twice that easy.
3-17-2009 @ 12:00PM
Macbook:How about instead of you taking the loots and doing gbank repairs, I just do my own damn repairs and need on the item if it's an upgrade for me?I'm with everyone else. I pass if it's a downgrade or I can't use, greed by default if it's boe (if it's an upgrade for someone else, they can roll Need with my blessings). You'd be hard pressed to find me ever rolling need. I'm even weary when an upgrade drops, since you don't want to come across as a greedy ass. If any loot drops that is a definite upgrade for anyone in the group, they can have it, no second thoughts. The entire reason we run the instances is for upgrades to our gear, and sometimes BOE drops are upgrades, so they get equal standing with boss loot in my eyes.
3-17-2009 @ 12:04PM
The author handled the loot question wrong...The main focus was that people think that BoE's are for whatever reason outside the Need b4 Greed rules and should always be rolled on by everybody.I have been accused on ninjaing when I rolled on a BoE cape. I was the only one who needed it, but the puggers thought it was ninjaing to need on a BoE. Too bad that you took the question totally wrong.
3-17-2009 @ 12:11PM
@ Macbook : When I lead 10s/25s, I run a macro that says BoE epics are going to my guild for Gbank funded repairs (50g/day). If they don't like it, they can leave.Ok, wait.. first you say that BOE's should be given to players who don't play a lot so they can vendor/de the item. Then, you say this directly after it. IMHO, thats even WORSE than what happened in the article.. at least the Priest was offered the opportunity to roll on the item if he wanted.. you apparently won't even give a pug'er that chance. Hypocrisy much?
3-17-2009 @ 12:24PM
"It amazes me how many people can't understand the concept of Need before Greed.Need = To use for oneselfGreed = To sell for moneyIt doesn't matter if an item is BoE or not, need still comes before greed."This. This. This. A thousand times this.Need -always- before greed. It doesn't matter if it's a BOE or a BOP. If it's a clear upgrade for someone, then it goes to that member of the group. It would be stupid to not do that. It doesn't matter if that person upgrades in a week or two (*looking at you, Macbook*), since you cannot *know* he will. He may be one of those people who play very seldom, and this may be his BIS for MONTHs to come.Bottom line:Need before Greed. Period.
3-17-2009 @ 12:28PM
@CharlieIf money is so easy to get, then the other person can logically easily buy the epic off the AH.
It's essentially just conservatives who don't understand the concept. To them, greed rules all.
3-17-2009 @ 12:30PM
3-17-2009 @ 12:36PM
@ MacbookSo wait, I guess at the beginning of every pug, people should:1) Establish, in order from poorest to richest, the people who need gold2) Establish a list of what you deem to be BiS equipsYou remind me of "that guy" that rolls need on a BoE epic that someone else actually needs and you don't , you win the roll, and then when the whole group starts asking why the hell you did that, you log off.Yeah...I see what you did there....
3-17-2009 @ 8:14PM
"As stated in this post, Epics are SO EASY to come by, that BoE epics should be sold for profit, to people that play less. With the few exception of BiS BoE's (hunter bracers and Surge Needle Ring come to mind), other BoEs should not be considered regular loot and just rolled on by who will actually use."Who determines what the exceptions are? Any ilvl213 epic can be a huge upgrade to your raiders, even over other similar items. There's a few Naxx25 drops that are BoE and are better than any other similar Naxx25 BoP drop.Besides, you're distinguishing between people who play a lot, and people who play less. Who's to say the person who wants it plays enough that another option is easy? Or that he'd wind up shelling out 4k gold to buy it from you on the AH to cover your raid wipes?
3-17-2009 @ 1:11PM
Personally, I would agree that it is largely irrelevant whether an item is BoE or BoP - if it is an upgrade for someone then I have no problem with them having it whatever it is. However, I have occasionally been in groups (thankfully rarely) where this is has been a contentious issue. Generally, if people are so obsessed with making money from selling the item rather than give it to someone who needs it, then I won't stop them rolling need, though I do feel a little sad inside that people have fallen to such a level of avarice.
3-17-2009 @ 1:31PM
@JustSomeGuyIt's essentially just liberals who don't understand the concept. To them, greed rules all.Do you see what I just did there? I made a completely stupid nonsensical statement that has no bearing on the conversation except to validate your warped point of view. @MacbookReally? Wow, just wow, you reserving loot on the basis of "it will help me and my guild" is essentially screwing over anyone who is stupid enough to pug with you. I sincerely hope that you post that bull *$%# in raid chat before you get some unsuspecting pugger saved with that steaming pile. The way I have always seen it done, and it is pretty much standard is (a) BOP item, 1st roll main spec, 2nd roll off-spec, 3rd roll for the shard, (b) BOE item, 1st roll main spec, 2nd roll free roll to sell. There shouldn't be an off-spec roll for a BOE item since the only reason you have BOP off-spec rolls is because the item is just going to waste.
3-17-2009 @ 7:44PM
If you need a few thousand gold to pay for repairs... what are you doing? Jumping off of the summoning platform in Naxx for fun? I mean, most of the Sons of Hodir dailies pay out around 13g, they're useful for everyone for those special shoulder chants, and they take about 30 minutes to complete... although it can be longer if there are a lot of people on the oozes and the elementals, but still man, that's easily about 60 gold a day even if you skip those two. Even for a plate-wearer, unless you're hitting Sarth 3D for the first time and intend to pound on it until you get it, are your repair bills ever going to be more than that?
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