Ask a Lore Nerd: Speculative speculation
Welcome to Ask a Lore Nerd, where each week blogger and columnist Alex Ziebart answers your questions about the lore and history of the World of Warcraft. Ask your questions in the comments section below, and we'll try to answer it in a future edition.Today's edition of Ask a Lore Nerd is a bit heavy on the speculation side, so be warned before you start reading. We've had a lot of questions recently that we don't yet have answers to, but are asked frequently enough that I suppose I should see what I can say!
vyx asked...
"Okay, so speaking of life and death, this has bugged me for a while -- how do we explain the fact that some characters (Horde and Alliance legends for example) have died, but yet every Priest, Pally, Shammy and Druid can rez people anytime they want?
I realize it's a game and it wouldn't be so much fun if you died and then had to reroll a level 1, but there needs to be some type of lore explanation as to why people can be rezzed, but also can 'really die.' Are we supposed to just not worry about this or is there an explanation?"
You can come up with all kinds of crazy justifications for it to try and make it fit into the lore, but it's really just a game mechanic. WoW would be really, really lame if we couldn't rez, either through corpse runs or players ressurrecting us. It's purely, 100% a game mechanic. The power to resurrect people might be there in the lore, but it's certainly not as commonplace as it is in the game.
If you need to try to justify it in RP or something along those lines, an explanation I see used often is, "It wasn't our time yet." We're still needed for something, we haven't fulfilled our role in things yet. Everyone who has died has fulfilled their purpose. I personally loathe that explanation, but it's the most common.
Rezzing players is a game mechanic, but if you need to explain it away for some reason, just be creative. There is no explanation for it in canon lore. Just wing it. If you don't need to explain it away, then we just don't worry about it.
jam asked...
"Whatever happened to Arator the Redeemer? Is he forever doomed to wander around Honor Hold asking questions about his parents? Kinda disappointing that Blizzard never went anywhere with that storyline as the expansion progressed. Have they ever hinted about doing something more with him or Turalyon and Alleria?"
From what I understand, this was a plotline they intended to work on within The Burning Crusade. In an early description of BC, I seem to recall that they had intended for us to go beyond even Outland. The plan was to go to other Legion worlds besides Draenor, if only for a very brief jaunt. Turalyon and Alleria were supposed to be on one of those worlds, having gone through/been sucked through another Legion portal. This never happened, probably because they wanted to focus on just Outland and its story and not send us to all sorts of other crazy places.
Since it never happened, they're still missing for awhile and Arator is going to be walking around Honor Hold for at least another couple of years, if not longer. And since it didn't happen, that's not necessarily the plan for them anymore. They might show up somewhere else. The original idea for Darion Mograine (being in Outland) didn't happen in The Burning Crusade, that changed completely for Wrath of the Lich King. If/when they show up again, it'll be tailored to that expansion.
Hugh asked...
"Now that we have officially killed Malygos, isn't it possible/probable that the Lich King might try to resurrect him as a Frostwyrm? What about the other powerful beings that have been killed in WoW such as Illidan and Kael'Thas? Why does he simply not bring those guy back as well?"
First, he would have to be able to reach those people. The Lich King doesn't exactly have a presence in places where he can easily turn Illidan and Kael'thas into the Undead. Outland? The Scourge doesn't do Outland. Sunwell Plateau? Sure, he got in there once, but the world probably isn't going to let that happen again, especially since we're attacking the seat of his power directly. Yeah, he probably could raise those people, but he's not really in a position to do that.
As for Malygos? Good luck assaulting Coldarra and busting into the Eye of Eternity to find his corpse that was zipped off into the void. That's not gonna happen.
Cuth asked...
"I've been thinking about this question lately. What exactly is Azeroth? Is it a spherical planet or is the world of Azeroth flat? If it was a sphere then you'd think you could travel to Kalimdor from the Eastern Kingdoms going right.
I don't get what Azeroth really is..."
Once upon a time it was described as a flat plane, kind of like Earth once was. Earth was flat for a really long time, too! But no, Azeroth is a spherical planet up in the sky, just like our planet. You can see it hanging in the sky from inside Black Temple, and you see globes of it scattered throughout Halls of Stone, Halls of Lightning, Ulduar, etc.
You'd think we could travel to Kalimdor from the Eastern Kingdoms by sailing East, but do we have a reason for doing that? Maybe it's a longer trip. Maybe there are sea monsters there. Maybe those waters are uncharted, and it's just easier to sail the other way as long as you give the Maelstrom a wide berth. We could travel that way, but that doesn't mean we should or would.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Sal Mar 23rd 2009 8:17PM
Why don't the level 80 gnomes take back their home and clean up the toxic in it? We're able to run through at level 24 or so and clear the place, but a bunch of level 80's can't?
Outlier Mar 23rd 2009 8:48PM
They answered that once, something along the lines of they COULD take it back but its highly radioactive so you really couldn't spend more than a few days there. Guess they don't see it worth the effort to retake a unusable location.
Skone Mar 23rd 2009 8:21PM
Ok...so...Ships go back and forth between Kalimdor and The Eastern Kingdoms everyday, while avoiding this giant whirlpool called Maelstrom. What exactly happens if those ships accidentally fall through Maelstrom? Do they get sent to some hidden underwater area? Do they die?
NathanTB Mar 26th 2009 9:43AM
I'm kind of surprised nobody answered this yet...
The Maelstrom was caused by the Sundering, one the one giant continent that was Azeroth split into the several large masses it is now. My understanding is that the center had been the capital of the Highbourne, and as it sank into the sea, Queen Azshara and some of her most loyal followers basically were corrupted into the Naga.
Now, the Maelstrom is exactly what it sounds like, so any sailor with half a brain steers a wiiiide berth. But if some ship's captain were stupid or unfortunate enough to somehow get sucked into it, and implausibly lucky enough to make it through the worst part of the storm, the center is basically a calm eye of the storm. And somewhere deep under the ocean is the capital of the Naga. But chances are you're dead before you ever get to any of that.
There's a lot of speculation that the Maelstrom is an upcoming content patch or expansion though, which could be cool.
Shelagh Mar 23rd 2009 8:25PM
My question is if there is any lore behind Thaddius. When you first run in, he says "You are too late, I must obey." Too late? Were we supposed to rescue him, or prevent him from being created? I haven't found anything about him yet, although I'm guessing it is just a random quote for a boss to say.
Tessla Mar 23rd 2009 8:50PM
I don't know how relevant this is, but Eligor Dawnbringer in wintergarde keep who is telling the infantry about different scourge baddies in naxx, and he says a little spiel about thadd, he says "Thaddius, built from the flesh of women and children, it is said that their souls are fused together - eternally bound within that foul prison of flesh. "
I guess you can infer that somehow all those poor innocent souls are showing a little remorse before their monstrous new body is wrangled into attacking you...
Caserno Mar 23rd 2009 8:29PM
Is there any reason why none of the proto-drakes in Northrend have matured, save Veranus, Sivlina and possibly Razorscale? Yet their species has evolved into the dragons we have today.
Do the Vrykul kill ones that are too big to be managed?
Nathanyel Mar 23rd 2009 10:01PM
Do we know they are the only ones? Maybe they're just broodmothers, leaders of a pack/flight, like Alexstrasza or Ysera are, but they're not the only females giving birth to new whelps.
Ringo Mar 23rd 2009 8:34PM
Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.
-- Miracle Max
Zerokku Mar 23rd 2009 8:38PM
Go through his clothes and look for loose change.
Princess bride ftw.
Avery Mar 23rd 2009 11:00PM
I always thought of 'death' as having the crap kicked out of you so bad you passed out and are unable to get up without the assistance of others (i.e. priests/pallies/druids/shammys). Alternatively, you could view the run back to your body as the time it takes for your body to recover enough to re-awaken on its own.
Anyurisem Mar 24th 2009 11:49AM
In a similar way, I see it as a near-death, out-of-the-body experience.
You are hovering on the border of world of the living and the world of the dead (I mean, you can still see the living while 'dead', and you can't see hordes of departed spirits enjoying their afterlife, save for the occasional ghost who is stuck there).
And then you come back.
Zerokku Mar 23rd 2009 8:34PM
I've been farming anzu with a friend lately on my dk, and it's gotten me to wondering.
How is anzu accessing the emerald dream from draenor? The emerald dream is essentially the blueprints of azeroth, and yet anzu is on draenor. I havn't leveled a druid through those quests so I'm not sure if it's explained there, but I'm hoping there's a legit explanation besides "lollore"
Nathanyel Mar 23rd 2009 10:07PM
The common assumption is that the Emerald Dream and its Outland counterpart are much closer than the actual worlds. And/or Anzu could be an ally of the forces that produce the Nightmare.
Zerokku Mar 23rd 2009 10:48PM
@Nathanyel
The problem with that theory is that Draenor would only have an "emerald dream" if it was a titan-forged planet. There are absolutely no hints of any titan involvement anywhere on outland though.
outlier Mar 23rd 2009 8:49PM
Personally, I would like to know if the major city kings know about the caverns of time. If so, why dont they just invade Black Morass and prevent the orcs from ever working with Medivh to enter Azeroth? I know the Horde occasionally worked WITH the Alliance against mutual foes but couldn't all the lost Alliance soldiers, civilians and cities lost by he orc invasion and the wars that followed justify never letting the horde arrive in the first place?
Zerokku Mar 23rd 2009 8:54PM
I'm sure they do. But if you remember the quest where you get escorted by a guardian of time, if anything concerning those events was drastically changed, reality would cease to be as the time stream collapses on itself.
Angry king chin may hate the orcs, but I have to admit even he wouldn't be that stupid.
LoreAddict Mar 23rd 2009 8:51PM
What is the relation between the Holy Light (As an sentient entity) and The Titans?
It's a known fact that the Naaru are not the embodiment of Light itself, but carriers of it.
The Light is something that spreads across the WoW universe, so i asume that the Titans (Being the watchers over everything) and the light must relate somehow.
Is it a creation of the Titans? Or a separate thing althogether?
Melvyl Mar 23rd 2009 8:59PM
I have been thinking of Azeroth as sort of like the planet Majipoor - from Robert Silverberg's novels. Majipoor's continents are all in the same hemisphere and no one has ever successfully sailed around the planet the long way.
jbodar Mar 23rd 2009 9:03PM
@vyx
You can explain resurrection as Miracle Max would: "He's only MOSTLY dead." Now I need to go eat an MLT...