Encrypted Text: Rogue defenses need to lose the RNG
Every Wednesday, Chase Christian of Encrypted Text invites you to enter the world of shadows, as we explore the secrets and mechanics of the Rogue class. This week, we discuss why random chance shouldn't have a place in Rogue defenses.As a member of the Rogue community, I do my best to stay abreast of the different topics of discussion. Every true Rogue's goal is to see the class excel in every area we attempt to conquer. By melding our collective brain power, we can come up with solutions for some of the problems and challenges facing us today.
Two concepts that I've seen discussed recently by both Aldriana (of Elitist Jerks / theorycrafting fame) and Akrios (of roguerogue.com) is the idea of skill, and our relationship with it. I define skill as the ability of a player to rapidly react to incoming stimuli, such as watching your opponents' cast bars. Skill is our ability to counter unknown actions quickly. However, it seems like it has been taking a back seat to RNG in WotLK so far.
Where skill comes into play:
It's widely agreed that the Rogue class has the highest skill cap of any in WoW. By skill cap, I'm referring to the idea that the level of skill required to master our assassination and stealth techniques takes more effort than any other class. It's important to note that this does not mean that Rogues are more skilled, or that other classes require less skill. My statement is simply that it takes more skill to completely master every facet of Rogue play.
While we can speculate on who takes the least skill, I began examining why the ninja class requires so much effort to play. I came up with the answer: tons of spells. We've got so many skills and abilities that can be used both offensively and defensively that are all necessary on a moment's notice. I have about 40 spells all key bound for instant access. Each of these have a specific purpose, and typically a cooldown attached.
While our ability to evade damage has been part of our class' definition, it has reached the point where we can no longer be balanced around the idea of using our cooldowns to survive. It forces Rogues to pick up Preparation in nearly every PvP environment, and cripples us any time a mistake is made. Our survivability depends on Dismantle and Evasion versus physical classes, both of which are lackluster in this world of weapon chains and dodge rating rebalancing. Cloak of Shadows provides a 6 second window where RNG can still ruin our day, and is our only true defense against a caster.
Trying to optimize our cooldowns to survive a fight becomes the area where Rogues are able to truly showcase their skill. The most oft-mentioned example, vanishing a death coil, has become an art form in and of itself. However, the fact remain that outside of long-duration cooldowns used in quick succession, our survivability is the lowest amongst any of the classes. With so many classes playing the hybrid role, we are simply unable to react to their assaults.
Why ret paladins, hunters, and DKs need to be rethought:
Against a warrior, one would never consider using Cloak of Shadows. It provides no benefits (well, it will once we get this Glyph) currently and is a waste of time and a valuable ability. However, when fighting a paladin, or a death knight, or even a feral druid, using Cloak of Shadows becomes a key ability. This means that we'll be using both Evasion and Cloak of Shadows against a single enemy, due to their ability to assault us on multiple fronts. While some Paladin attacks are holy damage, they cannot be cloaked, and some of their attacks can't be dodged. This also translates to the Death Knight, who is capable of dealing significant damage against us regardless of which cooldowns we have active.
Rogues are still able to defeat our traditional opponents. Most casters, and many physical damage dealers will fall when ambushed from stealth. Our weakness is against classes who break the barrier of physical versus magic: truly the overpowered battle-mages of Stratholme past. Hunters have found themselves in a similar role, dealing a mix of magical and physical damage, at a distance, no less.
Pure vs hybrid:
Most of us consider the split between pure and hybrid classes to be those with a single role (DPS) and those capable of multiple roles. I would like to change this perception (for the purposes of this article) to describe those classes capable of only a single type of damage, versus those who wield magic and physical damage simultaneously. This explains the reason that Hunters, Death Knights, and Paladins currently top the SK-100 and many other brackets.
I once wondered why I seemed to be getting killed so much quicker in arena matches than in seasons past. While obviously the scale of burst vs survivability has tipped in the favor of burst, it seems that Rogues are unable to survive an assault on any front. Evasion reduces our frontal melee incoming damage by 50%, in a perfect world. However, the fact that we are still able to be stunned during evasion, and that its effects are simply negated by using spells, have nerfed its potential greatly.
Rogue spells that "don't" work:
Other classes have spells that work every time. Ice Barrier always absorbs X damage. Icebound Fortitude makes you 100% immune to stuns and you take X% less damage. Evasion may or may not reduce the amount of damage you take, and may or may not work based on who you are fighting. Ice Block always encases the mage in a block of invulnerable ice. Divine Shield always protects the paladin from all damage. Vanish occasionally removes the Rogue from sight, and is again easily countered depending on who you are playing against. Nearly every class possesses a damage-over-time effect of some kind, and an AoE as well.
Having RNG present in the majority of our defensive abilities has hurt the class as a whole. Our inability to perform consistently has caused us to be dropped for those classes capable of repeating their performance, exactly the same, every time. Warriors used to be valued for their random RNG mace stuns, and now Rogues are undervalued for when RNG trumps their reactions.
Conclusion:
With a class defined by flashy cooldown usage and evading damage instead of mitigating it, we need more reliability in our abilities if we are going to be able to compete in the future. The new Glyph of Cloak of Shadows is a step in the right direction, adding some reliable damage reduction on demand. However, it's far too little against a world where every class has better defenses. I am hoping that Cloak of Shadows will be modified to be 100% spell immunity, and that Evasion will provide something more akin to Deflection's bonuses. I am thinking along the lines of 100% physical avoidance but 50% physical damage reduction. We'll see if we're able to overcome these obstacles come 3.1, but unless Rogues are able to find more consistent options for survival, I doubt we'll see our lifespan increase significantly.
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Reader Comments (Page 8 of 8)
Avrus Mar 26th 2009 12:03PM
@muffin_of_chaos
"Rogues currently need a nerf in PvP, as do Holy Paladins and Death Knights. "
Lol. Well you got your wish - Rogues are getting HfB nerfed which allows us to vanish by removing bleed effects first.
If you look at the top 20 Arena teams you'll see that only one team has a rogue in it.
After the change to HfB I'd be surprised if you see a team in the top 30 with a Rogue in it.
You're out of touch with the reality of the class.
mauser Mar 25th 2009 9:11PM
"My statement is simply that it takes more skill to completely master every facet of Rogue play."
I can't even begin to tackle how arrogant and ignorant that statement is. So I won't.
Hey wowinsider, l2hireprofessionals.
Avhi Mar 25th 2009 9:44PM
"It's widely agreed that the Rogue class has the highest skill cap of any in WoW."
This is a statement that can only ever be made by someone who had never played a healer EVER.
I am comfortable making so many super-qualifiers in that statement because it is so blatantly obvious. This is the first article I have seen in a long time that was so horribly full of crap that I had to walk away from my computer before making a comment.
As far as rogue QQ: as I look at 4 season's of numbers and the percentage of rogues that made glad, I find myself not really caring what you think about pvp. Unless you can produce articles by you for the past two years about how OP your class was, then shut up. You have no right to start complaining NOW. Play a shaman from season 1-4. Play a priest now. Play a resto druid now. You just need to reroll and see what suck really is. I hope the frustration of every single clothy with 1,000 res that has been burst down by a rogue haunts you. I have played with crappy rogues and gotten 2k rating. I have played with wonderful warlocks and never made it past 1500.
Sit down.
Shut up.
Take it like a clothy.
Opala Mar 25th 2009 9:58PM
You realise he wasnt writing these articles for all of those seasons. Also be realistic instead of just being a dick, who writes shit to say their OWN class is overpowered. Every class has been overpowered at some point, and they dont complain till they arent, so dont try and act as this is some rogue only shit because we're underpowered now.
This is an article about the state of things NOW, not for the past two years, NOW, so if we're shit now, the article will say that. If DK's suddenly turn into a horrible class next patch, you can bet your ass there will be a lot of DK's complaining, no matter how good they are now.
Sqtsquish Apr 14th 2009 12:26PM
wish I didn't see this so late, but as someone that has effectively played well over half of the game's classes over 60 I can clearly say that rogues to have the highest need for skill, perhaps not in 1v1 but then again Blizz doesn't make pvp encounters around 1v1. In short a rogue can be easily disrupted if not totally murdered if while in a pack of its allies it is spotted but a few opposing players, whether during or after its starting attack/ stun. Every class targets a rogue if not at least momentarily to disrupt or break its stealth and never long afterward you have a very dead rogue. We are seen as overly dangerous but as things currently stand we are no where as dangerous as people perceive us.
Gadai Mar 26th 2009 5:42AM
Jebus! Whine less please. CloS isn't 100%? Paladin bubble is so why shouldn't CloS? Fair enough - then Priests should be able to dispel CloS and warriors remove it post 3.1 - conveniently the warrior ability should be on an exact CD fit for CloS. While we're at it CloS and Evasion should reduce the rogues damage dealt by 50% and cause a forbearance effect to prevent chaining the abilities or using them simultaneously. CloS isn't 100%? But the Mage Ice Block is, so why shouldn't CloS? Oki doki - when CloS or Evasion is used take no damage, but in return deal no damage and get a debuff which prevents you from using CloS or Evasion for 30 secs (is it 30 or 60? can't remember).
Someone has already listed the range of rogue abilities which are not % chance for X to happen or Y types of attacks to miss. Dismantle, blind, gouge, kidney shot, etc are all 100% (if you're hit capped ofc) and represent the biggest pool of CC available to players in the game, made even more powerful by the fact that a number of them will not break on damage - there's your defensive abilities, being able to attack post a special in the sure knowledge that your opponent very little chance to attack you while also being at a reduced ability to protect themselves.
RNG my arse - that's like complaining that your crits aren't predictable - it's a % chance, don't treat it as if that percent is 100% and just be happy and thankful when it does prevent X% of magical damage (CloS) or helps you avoid X% of physical attacks (Evasion). I suspect you'll find that if your %dodge with evasion is 60% that you avoid 60% of physical attacks and you'll only ever be whining about the ones that get though and not the vast majority which the ability allows you to successfully evade.
kcypher Mar 27th 2009 2:31AM
Very good article. Most of these nay sayers that insist that Rogues are still overpowered have no clue what they are talking about. Rogues are a very defensively weak class in a world of plate wearers with great cool downs, near equal stuns, heals, bubbles, and better cool downs.
Stop saying l2stunlock morons, only bad players get killed by a single stunlock. That means equal A you are alone and need to time your trinket better and have your cat bleed the rogue so he cant vanish, or B have a real bad partner.
pewzpewz Apr 3rd 2009 4:46AM
I think its fine how it is, Seriously I feel rogues are more of a gambler type. I'll take my chances on randomness any day, Its what makes us different than the rest!