WoW, Casually: Finding the right casual guild (Reader Mail)
Robin Torres writes WoW, Casually for the player with limited playtime. Of course, you people with lots of playtime can read this too, but you may get annoyed by the fact that we are unashamed, even proud, of the fact that beating WoW isn't our highest priority. Take solace in the fact that your gear is better than ours, but if that doesn't work, remember that we outnumber you. Not that that's a threat, after all, we don't have time to do anything about it. But if WoW were a democracy, we'd win.
Marty wrote in earlier this month about a common occurrence among casual players: finding yourself guildless.
This morning I woke up and jumped on WoW to work the Auction house and found a letter from my Guild Master saying he has closed the Guild and moved on because the guild wasn't progressing the way he wanted. This was very surprising for me for many reasons. Primarily because I was a "Co-Leader" of the guild and had no idea this was coming, but also because for the 1.5 years the guild had been around we were really just Casual.... no expectations just basically a "Helping/Social" guild members out doing various activities and running instances together if we had enough people on... or if we didn't have enough we simply filled the holes with LFM on the channels. We never really ran any Sunwell Content in the BC days, and just recently started giving the WoTLK instances a shot on Heroic and I think we were doing alright with them! We wiped from time to time but tackled pretty much all of them..
Anyway, no hard feelings towards these guys. But my trouble is, this was only the 2nd guild I was ever in... and the first one was only for a week. So I basically spent my entire life with WoW in this guild.... I don't even know how I would find another guild that works like this..... I don't want to be in a guild with people flying in an out because they are just using the guild to level and leave when they get high enough to join someone else.
How do you casually find a casual guild? I think I am going to have my work cut out for me. Should I just start my own guild? Hope to hear from you.
/lonely in Azeroth
Marty
Finding the right casual guild can be difficult and time consuming, unfortunately. If you are looking for your first guild, check out WoW Rookie's guide. If you've already been guilded, you have the advantage of knowing what worked for you, what didn't and who you never want to be around again. There are a lot of guilds out there that are just what you need, if you know how to look and are willing to take some risks. First of all, you need to ask yourself a few questions:
Once you get accepted to a guild, you will probably be on a trial period. Make sure to mentally put your new guild on one too. Our playsessions are too short to waste on something that isn't going to work out. Pick a time beforehand (2 to 3 weeks is good) and evaluate the guild against your answers to the first questions in this article. Are they meeting your goals? Are their rules acceptable? Is there someone sucking your fun? If this isn't the right fit, just make a classy exit and move on (no reason to suck their fun by causing drama).
I do not recommend starting your own guild as a casual player. You have to spend a lot of time dealing with drama, recruitment, drama, communication, drama, leadership and did I mention drama? Sure there are successful casual guild leaders, but it can be very time consuming to get to that point.
A guild should enhance your playtime by making it easier to do the stuff you want to do with other people. Whether you want to socialize while you solo or do battlegrounds with an organized team or run heroics and gear up for possible 10 man runs -- a good guild just makes your limited playtime easier. Good luck in finding the right fit for you.
WoW, Casually is a column for those of us who are playtime-challenged. We had another good year last year and the new expansion has brought back a lot of players returning as casuals. If you have questions or tips about how to get the most out of your limited playtime, please send them to Robin.Torres AT weblogsinc DOT com for a possible future column.
Marty wrote in earlier this month about a common occurrence among casual players: finding yourself guildless.
This morning I woke up and jumped on WoW to work the Auction house and found a letter from my Guild Master saying he has closed the Guild and moved on because the guild wasn't progressing the way he wanted. This was very surprising for me for many reasons. Primarily because I was a "Co-Leader" of the guild and had no idea this was coming, but also because for the 1.5 years the guild had been around we were really just Casual.... no expectations just basically a "Helping/Social" guild members out doing various activities and running instances together if we had enough people on... or if we didn't have enough we simply filled the holes with LFM on the channels. We never really ran any Sunwell Content in the BC days, and just recently started giving the WoTLK instances a shot on Heroic and I think we were doing alright with them! We wiped from time to time but tackled pretty much all of them..
Anyway, no hard feelings towards these guys. But my trouble is, this was only the 2nd guild I was ever in... and the first one was only for a week. So I basically spent my entire life with WoW in this guild.... I don't even know how I would find another guild that works like this..... I don't want to be in a guild with people flying in an out because they are just using the guild to level and leave when they get high enough to join someone else.
How do you casually find a casual guild? I think I am going to have my work cut out for me. Should I just start my own guild? Hope to hear from you.
/lonely in Azeroth
Marty
Finding the right casual guild can be difficult and time consuming, unfortunately. If you are looking for your first guild, check out WoW Rookie's guide. If you've already been guilded, you have the advantage of knowing what worked for you, what didn't and who you never want to be around again. There are a lot of guilds out there that are just what you need, if you know how to look and are willing to take some risks. First of all, you need to ask yourself a few questions:
- What are your playtime goals? Do you have enough time in each session to do some casual raiding? Are instances the most you have time for? Or are you really only looking for people to chat with while you do your own thing? There are so many different kinds of casual players and so many different types of guilds, it really helps to identify what you want from your own playtime as well as what you want from your new guild.
- Are you married to your server? Sure you have a lot of characters on this server and you've been here for a long time, but do you really need to stay? If you feel you can be flexible in your realm and can afford transferring over your favorite characters, you expand your options for finding the right guild.
- What don't you want in your guild? Identify dealbreakers before you start your search. Are you willing to put up with immature players and drama queens? Are there restrictions (such as no adult language in guildchat) that are not acceptable to you? Spend some time really thinking about what you are willing to tolerate and what you absolutely can not deal with. It will really save time later when investigating the rules for possible guilds.
- Real Life friends, coworkers and organizations: If there are people you know who also play WoW, they may have a guild that would be great for you -- just make sure they are people you really want to hang with. There are also completely unrelated organizations you may be active in that also contain fellow Azerothians. Mine your real life resources for possible guild options. I highly recommend this route for most casual players.
- PuG it up: Group up for questing and instances as much as possible while you are looking for a guild. Try to repeat with people you like. Guilded people are constantly looking for good players to recruit, so if you have the skills and the manners, you will probably get an invite after a few playsessions.
- Guildwatch: Guildwatch isn't just about the delicious drama, there is also a Recruiting section where all kinds of guilds advertise for new members. They will usually indicate their level of play and who they will accept (adults only, geared healers, etc.)
- Realm forums: Check out your Realm forum, or if you decided to be flexible, the forums of prospective realms. There are always recruitment notices there and they generally tell you what kind of guild they are and how to apply. Disregard the vague ones. If they aren't willing to spend the time and effort to type out a simple guild description, don't waste your valuable time on them.
- Trade Chat: Unfortunately, the Guild Recruitment channel just isn't used as often as Trade Chat for guild recruitment announcements. Hanging out in a major city and chatting with recruiters is an excellent way to check out possible guilds.
Once you get accepted to a guild, you will probably be on a trial period. Make sure to mentally put your new guild on one too. Our playsessions are too short to waste on something that isn't going to work out. Pick a time beforehand (2 to 3 weeks is good) and evaluate the guild against your answers to the first questions in this article. Are they meeting your goals? Are their rules acceptable? Is there someone sucking your fun? If this isn't the right fit, just make a classy exit and move on (no reason to suck their fun by causing drama).
I do not recommend starting your own guild as a casual player. You have to spend a lot of time dealing with drama, recruitment, drama, communication, drama, leadership and did I mention drama? Sure there are successful casual guild leaders, but it can be very time consuming to get to that point.
A guild should enhance your playtime by making it easier to do the stuff you want to do with other people. Whether you want to socialize while you solo or do battlegrounds with an organized team or run heroics and gear up for possible 10 man runs -- a good guild just makes your limited playtime easier. Good luck in finding the right fit for you.
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Guilds, WoW, Casually







Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Alorix Jun 8th 2009 3:10AM
And the last thing any server needs is another scrub guild that gets no where. Just join one of the larger scrub guilds on your server and please don't start another one.
jimbob Mar 28th 2009 2:26PM
Ouch, a bit harsh?
Foxfyr Mar 28th 2009 2:27PM
Wow.
Do us a favour and don't read WoW, Casually. It clearly isn't intended for you.
Magma Mar 28th 2009 3:07PM
I do think that was worded harshly but I can understand where he is coming from. Every day I see the same "NEW GUILD MADE LFM!!1!" and most times in caps as well. It gets old quick. We don't need more guilds that break up in less than a month because everyone and their mom think they can run one.
Ice Mar 28th 2009 3:17PM
This is first time I've seen someone so "HC" crying bitter tears about guilds that he wont have any connection anyway. People like this are reason some people wont join big guilds. Have a nice day
Matthew Rossi Mar 28th 2009 4:31PM
How does this matter to you?
Seriously, do you go around yelling at kids who join the Girl Scouts because the last thing the world needs is more Thin Mints?
fyve & Boomstick Mar 28th 2009 5:04PM
@original poster
We've got a few guilds full of people like you on our server, thank god the jerks all stick together so everyone else can have a good time without interacting with you.
@Matthew Rossi, Excellent use of thin mints in a post :-)
Dizko Mar 30th 2009 11:08AM
Right, scrub guilds like the one I'm sure you're in. You're one of these guys who thinks by clearing Naxx 25 and doing Sarth 3-D that you're a pro raider/player. I'm sorry, but you're not. Lich King content is a joke and talking down to casuals just makes you an idiot.
If you didn't kill C'thun or KJ, then you're not "pro" and even then, you're just a dude with way to much time to waste playing WoW getting achievements no one outside of the game cares about. Sorry to break it to you but you can't put "cleared Naxx 25" on your resume.
No offense to the people who respectively raid and don't treat casuals like they're retarded. To you, I congratulate. Respect is earned not entitled.
Wraithgar Mar 28th 2009 2:28PM
I have a guild that I have started on Destromath Horde side. I am a casual player and like helping others. If you are on that server and want to play (either arenas, Pvp, or instances, at anytime) the feel free to find me or my officer. My characters are Wraithgar, Scartoth, Scarbank, Scarmage, Scarlocke or Vargothas. My officer is jwptheorc or wrathcrusher. We are not a hardcore guild, however we do try to do instances or pvp regular or when we can. Just a very laid back guild named Twist of Fate
jimbob Mar 28th 2009 2:35PM
A much better and, more importantly, targetted post, nice one Wraith.
seth Mar 28th 2009 2:39PM
Just started my guild a few days ago. The idea is to only get casual players, with no pressure at all. We dont really want drama queens around or endgame content people who will bail out from a guild run if it doesnt suit their gear goals. We play for fun, helping each other as much as possible. Life its too messed up already without people going crazy because a run went bad. We are in Moonguard if anyone wants to join just whisper Mogray or Mavrany.
Behr Mar 28th 2009 2:38PM
Brans Believers on Dalaran.
They are a group of casual players that have been playing together for like 10 years through various different games. Also very mature, seeing as the GM is over 50, haha.
But seriously, one of my favorite guilds I've ever been in, no pressure, always willing to help eachother out, its very different then the traditional guild.
-behr
HxCmAgEzOrS Mar 28th 2009 2:43PM
Please don't mistake casual for bad.
casual=/=bad
PLifter Mar 28th 2009 3:07PM
Another great article Robin! "A guild should enhance your playtime by making it easier to do the stuff you want to do with other people."
I Couldn't agree more. spending the time to find a group of online friends that shares your views on WoW really makes it shine as a game. It's worth the time to run some extra Pugs and search the forums/trade chat.
Ice Mar 28th 2009 3:22PM
Be careful about casual guilds too. I was looking for some at my realm and what I got.. "we are casual" means to them that they are running 3-5 times a week for about 3 hours in middle of the night. Hows that casual when you have to be in those raids too? Geez.
zappo Mar 28th 2009 3:45PM
That's a "casual raid guild" not a "casual guild" - those are two different things.
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I don't think you'll find much on realm forums for a casual guild. Nearly all recruitment is for raiding guilds of some sort because they actually NEED to fill slots.
I would also consider looking people up on your friends list and seeing what guilds they are in. If you join a guild with a friend already in it, then it's likely you'll at least like one person. And for that matter a person you already get along with is probably already in a guild with people likewise get along with. If you don't have any friends... you honestly need to get out more. Run instances or just help people out.
Hoggersbud Mar 28th 2009 3:27PM
I think they left out communications. Believe it or not, some people just don't like voice chat. Or for whatever reason can't get it to work. Or are simply Deaf.
Grendalsh Mar 28th 2009 3:45PM
Along with the advice for finding guilds in-game, there's lots of web tools outside the game for finding guilds. Several have been highlighted on WI.
My Game Mug (www.mygamemug.com) seems to be pretty useful for casuals (it's new so not a lot there yet), and not just for WoW.
It has a personality 'test' to determine what playstyle you prefer, and then can help you find guilds that are recruiting on its network that suit your playstyle. Kinda groovy, hope it catches on.
And worst case, if you've got a MySpace-type page, throw up there that you're looking for a new guild. It's all about the social networking!
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Grendalsh Mar 28th 2009 3:48PM
Casual, covering new players (couple are at 3 months in, still learning first class) to Retro Raiding (just getting into the old Azeroth raids). Content before loots - raids are social activities that we facilitate, not requirements for membership.
Brennoth Mar 28th 2009 4:20PM
I'm the GL of the Knights of Raven Hill on the Scarlet Crusade server US and are a casual/social guild.
We are always looking for mature guild members who like questing, running instances and sharing time together. If we get big enough we have hopes in running the 10 man raids.
If you are on the Scarlet Crusade server US look me (Brennoth, Brennothor, Brennothus) or our Officers and members and we'll send you an invite.