WoW, Casually: Finding the right casual guild (Reader Mail)
Robin Torres writes WoW, Casually for the player with limited playtime. Of course, you people with lots of playtime can read this too, but you may get annoyed by the fact that we are unashamed, even proud, of the fact that beating WoW isn't our highest priority. Take solace in the fact that your gear is better than ours, but if that doesn't work, remember that we outnumber you. Not that that's a threat, after all, we don't have time to do anything about it. But if WoW were a democracy, we'd win.
Marty wrote in earlier this month about a common occurrence among casual players: finding yourself guildless.
This morning I woke up and jumped on WoW to work the Auction house and found a letter from my Guild Master saying he has closed the Guild and moved on because the guild wasn't progressing the way he wanted. This was very surprising for me for many reasons. Primarily because I was a "Co-Leader" of the guild and had no idea this was coming, but also because for the 1.5 years the guild had been around we were really just Casual.... no expectations just basically a "Helping/Social" guild members out doing various activities and running instances together if we had enough people on... or if we didn't have enough we simply filled the holes with LFM on the channels. We never really ran any Sunwell Content in the BC days, and just recently started giving the WoTLK instances a shot on Heroic and I think we were doing alright with them! We wiped from time to time but tackled pretty much all of them..
Anyway, no hard feelings towards these guys. But my trouble is, this was only the 2nd guild I was ever in... and the first one was only for a week. So I basically spent my entire life with WoW in this guild.... I don't even know how I would find another guild that works like this..... I don't want to be in a guild with people flying in an out because they are just using the guild to level and leave when they get high enough to join someone else.
How do you casually find a casual guild? I think I am going to have my work cut out for me. Should I just start my own guild? Hope to hear from you.
/lonely in Azeroth
Marty
Finding the right casual guild can be difficult and time consuming, unfortunately. If you are looking for your first guild, check out WoW Rookie's guide. If you've already been guilded, you have the advantage of knowing what worked for you, what didn't and who you never want to be around again. There are a lot of guilds out there that are just what you need, if you know how to look and are willing to take some risks. First of all, you need to ask yourself a few questions:
Once you get accepted to a guild, you will probably be on a trial period. Make sure to mentally put your new guild on one too. Our playsessions are too short to waste on something that isn't going to work out. Pick a time beforehand (2 to 3 weeks is good) and evaluate the guild against your answers to the first questions in this article. Are they meeting your goals? Are their rules acceptable? Is there someone sucking your fun? If this isn't the right fit, just make a classy exit and move on (no reason to suck their fun by causing drama).
I do not recommend starting your own guild as a casual player. You have to spend a lot of time dealing with drama, recruitment, drama, communication, drama, leadership and did I mention drama? Sure there are successful casual guild leaders, but it can be very time consuming to get to that point.
A guild should enhance your playtime by making it easier to do the stuff you want to do with other people. Whether you want to socialize while you solo or do battlegrounds with an organized team or run heroics and gear up for possible 10 man runs -- a good guild just makes your limited playtime easier. Good luck in finding the right fit for you.
WoW, Casually is a column for those of us who are playtime-challenged. We had another good year last year and the new expansion has brought back a lot of players returning as casuals. If you have questions or tips about how to get the most out of your limited playtime, please send them to Robin.Torres AT weblogsinc DOT com for a possible future column.
Marty wrote in earlier this month about a common occurrence among casual players: finding yourself guildless.
This morning I woke up and jumped on WoW to work the Auction house and found a letter from my Guild Master saying he has closed the Guild and moved on because the guild wasn't progressing the way he wanted. This was very surprising for me for many reasons. Primarily because I was a "Co-Leader" of the guild and had no idea this was coming, but also because for the 1.5 years the guild had been around we were really just Casual.... no expectations just basically a "Helping/Social" guild members out doing various activities and running instances together if we had enough people on... or if we didn't have enough we simply filled the holes with LFM on the channels. We never really ran any Sunwell Content in the BC days, and just recently started giving the WoTLK instances a shot on Heroic and I think we were doing alright with them! We wiped from time to time but tackled pretty much all of them..
Anyway, no hard feelings towards these guys. But my trouble is, this was only the 2nd guild I was ever in... and the first one was only for a week. So I basically spent my entire life with WoW in this guild.... I don't even know how I would find another guild that works like this..... I don't want to be in a guild with people flying in an out because they are just using the guild to level and leave when they get high enough to join someone else.
How do you casually find a casual guild? I think I am going to have my work cut out for me. Should I just start my own guild? Hope to hear from you.
/lonely in Azeroth
Marty
Finding the right casual guild can be difficult and time consuming, unfortunately. If you are looking for your first guild, check out WoW Rookie's guide. If you've already been guilded, you have the advantage of knowing what worked for you, what didn't and who you never want to be around again. There are a lot of guilds out there that are just what you need, if you know how to look and are willing to take some risks. First of all, you need to ask yourself a few questions:
- What are your playtime goals? Do you have enough time in each session to do some casual raiding? Are instances the most you have time for? Or are you really only looking for people to chat with while you do your own thing? There are so many different kinds of casual players and so many different types of guilds, it really helps to identify what you want from your own playtime as well as what you want from your new guild.
- Are you married to your server? Sure you have a lot of characters on this server and you've been here for a long time, but do you really need to stay? If you feel you can be flexible in your realm and can afford transferring over your favorite characters, you expand your options for finding the right guild.
- What don't you want in your guild? Identify dealbreakers before you start your search. Are you willing to put up with immature players and drama queens? Are there restrictions (such as no adult language in guildchat) that are not acceptable to you? Spend some time really thinking about what you are willing to tolerate and what you absolutely can not deal with. It will really save time later when investigating the rules for possible guilds.
- Real Life friends, coworkers and organizations: If there are people you know who also play WoW, they may have a guild that would be great for you -- just make sure they are people you really want to hang with. There are also completely unrelated organizations you may be active in that also contain fellow Azerothians. Mine your real life resources for possible guild options. I highly recommend this route for most casual players.
- PuG it up: Group up for questing and instances as much as possible while you are looking for a guild. Try to repeat with people you like. Guilded people are constantly looking for good players to recruit, so if you have the skills and the manners, you will probably get an invite after a few playsessions.
- Guildwatch: Guildwatch isn't just about the delicious drama, there is also a Recruiting section where all kinds of guilds advertise for new members. They will usually indicate their level of play and who they will accept (adults only, geared healers, etc.)
- Realm forums: Check out your Realm forum, or if you decided to be flexible, the forums of prospective realms. There are always recruitment notices there and they generally tell you what kind of guild they are and how to apply. Disregard the vague ones. If they aren't willing to spend the time and effort to type out a simple guild description, don't waste your valuable time on them.
- Trade Chat: Unfortunately, the Guild Recruitment channel just isn't used as often as Trade Chat for guild recruitment announcements. Hanging out in a major city and chatting with recruiters is an excellent way to check out possible guilds.
Once you get accepted to a guild, you will probably be on a trial period. Make sure to mentally put your new guild on one too. Our playsessions are too short to waste on something that isn't going to work out. Pick a time beforehand (2 to 3 weeks is good) and evaluate the guild against your answers to the first questions in this article. Are they meeting your goals? Are their rules acceptable? Is there someone sucking your fun? If this isn't the right fit, just make a classy exit and move on (no reason to suck their fun by causing drama).
I do not recommend starting your own guild as a casual player. You have to spend a lot of time dealing with drama, recruitment, drama, communication, drama, leadership and did I mention drama? Sure there are successful casual guild leaders, but it can be very time consuming to get to that point.
A guild should enhance your playtime by making it easier to do the stuff you want to do with other people. Whether you want to socialize while you solo or do battlegrounds with an organized team or run heroics and gear up for possible 10 man runs -- a good guild just makes your limited playtime easier. Good luck in finding the right fit for you.
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 2)
Jere Mar 28th 2009 5:47PM
I've been kind of trying to find an active casual guild on Antonidas-horde, anyone know of one?
handelian77 Mar 28th 2009 5:30PM
Hi Lonely in Azeroth,
I'm Elvwyr, GM of The Einherjar on Nordrassil US. We're the height of casual and are a mature, small, fun, very casual, mostly adult guild formed for the purpose of camaraderie through communication and questing together. We are a bunch of very friendly people who form a family. We attempt to run at least one instance a week on Saturday evenings EST but put no pressure on anyone with regards to attaining achievements or any form of raiding. Basically we want members to enjoy the game on their own terms. If you're interested, please check out our website:
http://the-einherjar.guildomatic.com
We're extremely welcoming of any level or class so if you happen to be on Nordrassil US, give me a shout by sending me in game mail or PMing me through the website. Thanks for reading and best of luck finding the casual guild that will best suit your needs. Happy gaming!
Elvwyr
Theserene Mar 28th 2009 6:23PM
Casual does not mean cr*p.
The motto of Dreamscape, a casual Horde-Side guild on Draenor-EU.
We do a bit of everything, the only mandatory stuff is not joining then spending 3 months offline or off on another alt or something. We prefer people of a professional level since nearly all of us have jobs and can't do jack all during the day :p
No application form, but a 2 day trial is required. Just find any of our members in-game :)
Balius Mar 28th 2009 7:52PM
Heh. Shame his home-server wasn't mentioned, or he'd likely have a guild by now.
stormswept Mar 28th 2009 10:14PM
Well, we run a casual guild, we have never advertised, and we probablly never will. So this is a one off.. me talking about my guild.
Light House, on Vek'nilash US
We will get puggers in if they are good, and laugh with us on wipes. We will get people from trade on rare occasions. We are not crap, but we are small so the raids we do are usually with friends from some of the larger guilds on our server. Pretty much if you want to be in a guild who has been around (just over a year now) for a while, has not folded over drama (and we have had our share) we would be it.
Anyone is welcome. Tho we do prefer you to be mature (ie not offended by flirting, or silliness.) not steal our gb, not complain that you cant get help (we try our best but we are all casual players in our style, so we are sometimes doing our own thing) not complain we dont raid, or tell us that you want to raid and then instantly leave "sorry im going to a raiding guild.." (we ARE keen to raid, just need numbers and if everyone leaves...) and tend towards grabbing people who are on late night US time - because... the GM and his wife (that would be me) are in Australia!
Lyri
dameblanche Mar 29th 2009 8:00AM
As far as I know you are better off avoiding guilds with application forms, because these are usually already raiding and looking for a certain type of player. Why don't you look closer to home? if you had a good time in your former guild, you must have a few of these guildies in your friends list. Ask them about their current guilds and get them to invite you. And do you have more then one character? I found my current guild with a lower level alt. For some time I was unsatisfied with my old guild so I let 3 alts enter different new guilds. The guild which was the kindest to my level 20 alts, shared my sense of humor and didn't make me feel like an idiot when I asked a question, was the guild I went to with my main.
And don't feel guilty for leaving a guild you don't like. Because guilds don't always resemble their own advertisement. The "casual, laid back adult" guild I was in, turned out to be a bunch of arrogant middle aged tossers, one "helpful" guild turned out to have only 3 members online on any given moment, and the "nice social" guild turned out to have a female guild master with Oprah Winfrey aspirations: 90% of the guild chat was gossip about everybody's virtual love life.
Robin Torres Mar 29th 2009 11:29AM
There are a lot of casual (non-raiding) guilds who use application forms (see Omniverse's post below). Applications are a great way to determine if the prospective guildie will be a good fit.
Servietrix Mar 29th 2009 9:50PM
I agree with Robin,
our guild on the Khaz'goroth server is a VERY casual guild. and on our website (http://www.adslhomenetwork.com/lifead/index.php) we have an application form. But i must admit... i dont think it has ever been used. The main reason we have the "rules and Apps" is mainly for a base line logistics which EVER guild needs, casual or hardcore. ever guild needs basic guidelines. The easiest thing for a "casual" guild to do is instead of sitting down and taking up limited game time you have to sort out rules... you copy and paste from website somewhere.
Reading over what our guild has for an application is a little over the top... i admit. But never the less it gets the info we need across.
Our guild is very casual. With the core group of people who are friends and work colleges IRL. So very stable. we are looking at recruiting like-minded ppl who could boost our numbers so we might actually be able to some 10man runs without pugging holes. we arnt super serious about it. we try for fridays and or sunday nights (EST) and if we dont have enough. we dont go. we will go run dungeons instead. no big deal.
but when in that position its also hard for guilds to knock back players as well. we have some "young" players who are not necessarily as mature as the rest of us.... but you get that sometimes. I mostly think players like that will gear up and move on. Its not a huge issue for us. can be annoying but if you haven't been annoyed at someone sometime during this game.... your not playing wow. And in the end... they do help the rest of the guild out... they do run with us and make up numbers, that allows other to run and gear up as well.
Its hard for Guilds like ours to find good, trustworthy, mature people. toon gear, playstyle, and experience in instances arnt everything. after all.... even the good toons out there went through it all for the first time as well.
this game is fun.... and thats the way it should be played.
Good luck finding casual Guilds out there..... there is one on Khaz is anyone ever wants to look into it. anyone, anytoon, anytime. as long as your willing to give and take a little. :)
cheers,
Serv
Omniverse Mar 29th 2009 11:00AM
Ahh, the casual guilds strike again.
Application does not = guild you don't want to join.
Kindred Spirits is dedicated to the players. We understand real life comes first, and require nothing from our members other than a good attitude.
We do however use an application system, and have an active forum comminity. We are built around the social aspect of the game.
We don't like to blind invite people, and use apps to filter out those that wouldn't fit in with those that already make up the guild. Members of the guild decide what apps get in, not the officers or leaders of the guild.
We maintian a casual atmosphere that still allows us to be organized enough to run raids and other content. We don't have requirements for people to raid either, other than be prepared (and that doesn't mean gear, we take under geared members as well).
Kindred spirits has been around for many years, and will be for many more.
Visit us to see for yourself:
http://ksguild.org/
Brainded Mar 30th 2009 10:40AM
It would be nice if Blizz would break the Guild Recruiting forum up into categories, so casual guilds wouldn't get swept under the rug by the hardcores. :(
Anyway, my wife and I are looking for a VERY casual/social guild on Dunemaul-US (H) to join or at least hang out with now and then. We're currently in one, composed mostly of IRL friends, but it's pretty much dried up because of people spending time in their real lives *gasp* instead. The two of us and our alts are about the only active people left.
Deadly. Off. Topic. Mar 30th 2009 11:55AM
A nice guild that feels like a family is a good place to be, the problem is finding one. The only way to do that is to jump around until you do happen to find one.
Moo Mar 30th 2009 1:11PM
Hey, I'll pimp a guild I'm not even part of! Big Red One on Uldaman (US) is a casual, extremely friendly, extremely helpful medium sized guild. I was a part of it until recently when I decided to depart in order to do some raiding, but I'm still very close with all of the guildies there. The parting was very amicable, and I still try to help them out whenever I can.
They have a nice mix of higher level characters with lower, a number of alts who actually do get playtime, and some core level 80 players who are interested in improving their gear and their respective games while keeping the tone extremely casual and light. They do run regular and some heroic Northrend dungeons, and they enjoy going back and hitting older vanilla and BC dungeons so that they have a chance to see as much content as possible. Plus they are just really nice people.
I highly recommend them if you are on the Uldaman server and the above sounds interesting to you. If you're interested in more info, check out the guild on wowarmory.
Fishwah Apr 1st 2009 7:52PM
Just me or do phrases such as "What are your playtime goals?" hint that u might have more time to play if u didn't spend 20mins considering said question.
Good article though :)