Honestly, the difference in the gear is very very minimal.

my hunter is almost entirely ilvl200 with a couple of 213's. I can top the DPS charts every time with minimal effort even in a group of people with full 213+ gear, because the small difference in 200 to 213 just isn't enough to make things matter. I'm in a guild that struggles to get a reliable 10 people to show up for Naxx clears, so we mostly pug a 25-man on the weekends just to get a little bit of the gear...

And overall I'm disappointed the difference in the gear isn't THAT great.

Which leads to the further disappointment that SHOULD be the focus of people's complaints, and that's the fact that if you're a 10-man raider who occasionally pugs a 25-man, you're basically raiding Ulduar for kicks. You're not going to get a lot of mileage out of the loot, since you're going to basically be looking at sidegrades until your guild can master hard modes and/or whatever final boss drops the extra bump in ilvl. (sorry, I haven't paid enough attention).

It's difficult enough getting 10 people together when most people only want loot from a single boss right now... I imagine that the motivation to get these people in Ulduar past a couple of raids will basically run the same way when most of the people get their 2-3 upgrades from the first 12 bosses and nail a single kill of the last boss. At that point we'll be back on the alt train with half of them while the rest of the guild struggles to finish gearing up their players with a handful of half-geared alts shoving along.

That's the real problem with the loot levels to me. They needed to have made a bigger gap between Naxx10 and Ulduar10 to make it really worth people raiding it. After all, are most people really staying entirely away from Naxx 25 pugs?

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