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3-31-2009 @ 9:51PM
No, most people didn't miss that point. It seems for the most part folks here understand that achievements are optional. you do achievements after you're bored and want to spice things up a bit. This is totally another debate beyond the point of discussion here.bod said:But making an argument that 25 deserves more rewards because it's harder is fail, you just lose credibility, esp when you say we don't understand game mechanics.What? I never commented that 25 deserves more gear, unless you have broken english and meant to say, "25 doesn't deserve better quality gear".Again, I bring back my previous analogy. Folks want to buy a Ferrari for the same price as a Mini, since that is all they can afford.Forgetting about the fact that the person who can afford the Ferrari, has for the most part, worked for it. They wanted it, they put in the effort to make it happen.What do you illogical people think the man with the Ferrari will do when he finds out you can now buy a Ferrari for the same price as a Mini?Sure, the folks who can now afford a Ferrari will surely be stoked, but the man that bought the Ferrari at the original price becomes demotivated, they loose their oomph to do that extra bit that 99% of people don't do.So what happens now? You start having a social imbalancement. The hard working folks get dumbed down since they can get the same rewards as before, without doing the extra effort.By doing what the retarded original blogger is saying, you dumb down the people using the system (if that's even possible to get dumber).The fact is simple, you get rewarded for effort. Not just in the game, but everything you do, everday, every minute of your life. You can slap a 10 man group together for any content at present, and do it with minimal effort. You can NOT just slap together a 25 man group and go with it.Again:Seriously, get some logic and common sense (which I have to point out, both traits have certainly become a bit of a super-power among people) in your brain retard.
3-31-2009 @ 10:27PM
You said, to quote "The folks here that are complaining that 10 man is harder than 25 man (achievements, which are OPTIONAL, put aside) seriously just don't understand the mechanics of the game, or have a fail guild, or can't be bothered with the extra effort, simply suck, or whatever the reason is."You also said "There is absolutely no substance, no reasoning why you should get the same rewards, none, zero, zulch, bugger-all, for doing less effort and gaining the same rewards as those that do more of an effort."Since I'm one of the folks pointing out (not complaining) that 10 mans are generally harder, I assumed you were referring to me or my ilk and that you were linking rewards with instance participants?I used the term "fail", because you did. I'll try to improve my grammar in this reply, I'll also refrain from grammatical cheap shots if you will too.You then make an argument about a ferrari which seems to be restatement of your original contention, that you believe 25 mans to be deserving of the better rewards. What you neglect to do, is justify this contention, or offer any evidence that 25 man raids are significantly harder than 10 man raids. Conversely I suggest to you that Grobbulus, Gluth, Kel'thuzad, Sapphiron amongst others are far more easily executed on 25 man, and that's without resorting to Sarth + xdrakes that others have mentioned.Now, before you flame me again, let me point out that I have also said that I do not believe the 10 and 25 man rewards should be the same. If they were equalised many of us would never run a 25 man again. In your words, I do not want to buy a Ferarri for the same price as a mini, I think the idea would be the death of minis.But I say again, the reason for that is logistics, not difficulty, 25 man raidss in general are currently easier since they allow a ton of room for slack. Maybe in the future with a sunwell level of difficulty that will change, but for now 25 man = easy. To modify your analogy for a final time, it's as if I go into the ferrari showroom with 10 friends and get a mini, yet if I take another 15 friends I get a ferrari for the same price, or arguably, even cheaper.Since there is every indication that bliz will not ramp up the future difficultly of instances, but only offer hard modes, enabling everyone to see all the content, I see no reason for this situation to change. In other words the end result will be bribing us to participate in 25 man raids over 10 mans. That seems to be a deliberate decision to fly in the face of player preference and I imagine this argument will continue to be made.
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