Officers' Quarters: Friendly favors
Every Monday Scott Andrews contributes Officers' Quarters, a column about the ins and outs of guild leadership.I'm sure plenty of officers out there can sympathize with the dilemma in this e-mail. The officer who wrote it has recently been promoted (yay!), but now her friends come to her for special favors, intervention with other officers, and insider information (uh oh). She wonders if she can be a good officer without pushing her friends away. (Go easy on this e-mail in the comments. English isn't her first language.)
Hello!
Since you mostly base your posts on e-mails from your readers I thought to send you one concerning my own current problems (I wouldn't know if people can relate to this).
I'm a fairly new (2 weeks) officer in a 25men raiding guild. We have about 30-35 raiders and more social members! I started off as taking over the healing assignments, which led to my opinions about healing setup/healing trials, which led to partly raid leading and then I got promoted. We're only with 3 leaders (the GM and 2 officers-including me) which I think is enough for our guild, people listen. The tasks get done, communication is good . . .
But, I'm this kind of person that cares for the people, I want to stand up and have a fair treatment (which happens in my guild). The thing I've experienced thou[gh] with that attitude is . . . I'm friends with a lot of people in the guild, and sometimes that makes things difficult. In these 2 weeks I've experienced several times of friends expecting me to do them a favour officer wise.
[. . .] E.g.: One of my friends gets a talk (decided by the officers) due [to] his behavior in the raid, he doesn't get demoted just a small talk. After that talk, what happens? They come talking to me about how the officers did them bad, and he doesn't think he did anything wrong, he feels like he's being punished for something he shouldn't get punished for . . . Now, what [. . .] should I do? I try to have a friend to friend talk but somehow the officerpart takes over as well at times. [. . .]
Is this normal? Should I take more of a distance from people to avoid mixing up officer/friendship? After all I want to be there as a friend but sometimes I have to talk to them trough the eyes of an officer. I'm trying to avoid the conversation about what we as officers talk about, but people tend to bring it up at times or confront me with it.
Greetings,
A newbie officer
Oh, it's a fine line we sometimes tread, isn't it, ANO? After all, what's the point of being an officer if you aren't on some level befriending the people you're leading? You have to be a ball buster sometimes, to be sure, but the camaraderie of a well-run guild is one of an officer's very few rewards. Or should we stand above our members, denying ourselves the natural rapport that comes with overcoming shared challenges?
The question is particularly poignant for ANO, since she rose up through the ranks and now her friends expect her to be their champion.
Hey, it's no secret that our world leaders do favors for their friends when they reach a position of power. That's part of the reason they want the job. There's no reason you can't advocate for a friend if you agree that he's been wronged by the officers. If you think your friend has a legitimate complaint, then be a good friend and take the issue upstairs. See if you can rectify the situation to everyone's satisfaction.
If you think your friend is in the wrong, however, and the officers are right, then be a good friend and be honest about it. Obviously he disagrees with the officer who chewed him out. Maybe if you give him a bit more of the officers' perspective on the incident, he'll understand why things happened the way they did. Regardless of how he feels, he can't fault you for being straight with him. And it's also possible that he just needs someone to rant to when he's upset. You can still be that person.
Just because you're an officer doesn't mean you can't be a friend. The key point I'd like to make here, however, is that as an officer you can't only be a friend to your friends. You have to be a friend to all the members under your charge. When it comes time to deal with a delicate situation, do what's fair regardless of whether that member is a close friend or not.
If you only help your friends and ignore everyone else, you won't be a very effective officer. Gradually, the other members will catch on to that pattern of behavior and they'll resent you -- and your friends -- for it. And much like those world leaders who make their friends rich while bankrupting everyone else, you'll be run out of town sooner or later.
As far as disclosing what the officers discuss, you'll have to use your own discretion about what to reveal and what not to. In these cases, I find it better to give someone a general impression than a specific statement. For example, "The officers were disappointed with your effort in the raid last night" is a much better way to approach a conversation than "Officer So-and-so said you're the worst tank he's ever seen."
Some people will always want specifics anyway. They'll follow that up with questions like, "Who said they were disappointed?" or "What did they say exactly?"
You don't need to answer those questions. If you do, it will only create hurt feelings and bad blood between that member and the specific officers who were involved in the criticism. It will also make the officers feel like they can't be honest around you, and you certainly don't want that. Do not let your friends turn you into the /o channel narc.
Just be general and present the officers' feelings as a collective emotion. If the officers don't all agree, members don't need to know that either. You can just say, "Some of the officers were disappointed" instead.
If your friends don't understand why you aren't giving them the juicy inside scoop, then explain to them the awkward position that they're putting you in by asking. They may be let down at first, but (as mom would say) if they're really your friend, they won't ask you to do anything you don't want to do.
/salute
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
number9 Apr 6th 2009 2:08PM
"(Go easy on this e-mail in the comments. English isn't her first language.) "
Are you kidding? Her english is better than 90% of the people I bump into in SW...
Arrowsmith Apr 6th 2009 3:08PM
No kidding. I give Kudos.
DM7000 Apr 6th 2009 2:22PM
Indeed. I've heard worse from people whose native language is english. It's not rare that people who are ESL have better writing ability than those who speak english as a native language.
Thanks for the insight in this problem, I've been dealing with this as well.
Link Death Apr 6th 2009 2:22PM
No kidding.
Rihlsul Apr 6th 2009 2:29PM
Agreed.
Pasha Apr 6th 2009 2:52PM
Seriously.
Rob Apr 6th 2009 2:22PM
I'm not sure i agree, 'the general consensus' could be one or two guys fleeting impressions. (It could be). When there is behavioral issues like the i'd rather come to the guy and say 'you were very lewd in the raid last night and it made alot of people unconfortable, can you tone it down?'. Maybe that is somewhat vague, but better than saying 'you are not really fitting in with the raid group as evidenced by last night's behavior'.
I get alot of the he said/she said type problems, where you have no idea who is telling the truth. I just tell the people that they need to act like adults, and we hold officers to a higher standard than normal people, and they are on notice. Do it again and you are out. Which really sucks if you are the victim of some abuse, but without any proof it gets hard.
We've had people come and bring proof in the way of screenshots, but then we don't know what the other party did, or what happened to bring it on.
We've had people say 'person X was being lewd to me' and then gquit. Well, not much we can do about that, with no evidence and the problem being resolved, irregardless (yet of course we note the alleged provocateur).
Anyway, we have alot of these problems, perhaps due to the fact that we are an advertised adult only guild (which doesn't mean we are R rated, we just don't accept people under 18 yrs old). And it's not like people over 18 are going to act like adults all the time anyway. Not really sure if there are good solutions for this type of personnel management.
Trasken Apr 6th 2009 2:25PM
The letter was written very well, especially for ESL/ExL / w/e. Heck, at least she put effort into her letter. Anymore the only thing I see, especially in WoW, is a barely coherent mess of letters thrown together.
The first time I saw the phenomenom of "You looser" I knew the it was gonna get rocky.
And just to get my rant in a bit: It's lose/loser/etc. not loose/looser/etc. "Ah dang, we loose" what's loose? You're "loose" as in a floozy? Your doorknobs loose? Your dogs running loose? Clothing?
I don't generally care about that kind of stuff, but then I saw people at work spelling it that way /facepalm
Anyways, I'm straying way too far off topic here. The letter was well written!
PopeJamal Apr 6th 2009 3:02PM
"Your doorknobs loose? "
That's not really a question. In your example, "doorknobs" is plural but you used the singular verb "is". To ensure subject/verb agreement, you'd have to change it to "Your doorknobs are loose." Subject and verb now agree, but that's still not a question.
To make your statement a question, you'd have to change it to either "Are your doorknobs loose?" or "Is your doorknob loose?".
If you wanted to make it a really informal inquiry, which is what I assume you meant to do, then you'd say "Your doorknob's loose?". In this instance, you'd use the apostrophe since "doorknob's" is really the shortened "doorknob is".
TLDR: L2Grammar Nazi.
OMG, BBQ, lolwut and all that...
Brunixx Apr 6th 2009 3:21PM
Yeah I know what you mean about the "looser" thing. My brother for some reason always spells it like that. I always correct him for that. Then, he spells it like that again the next time... For some reason that one just annoys me.
Michael Apr 6th 2009 5:01PM
Did you seriously just type all of that to complain about a missing apostrophe????
What a looser.
Trasken Apr 6th 2009 5:36PM
Don't misunderstand. I'm really by no means a grammer nazi. That's just one of my few pet peeves. Though given the TLDR I assume it was in jest or you're just quickly irritated. Either way *shrug*
Manatank Apr 6th 2009 2:26PM
Being corrupt is the main goal of any officer.
AltairAntares Apr 6th 2009 2:29PM
Only way to get those abyss crystals for that last enchant you needed...
Gessilea Apr 6th 2009 2:30PM
I think the key is to treat everyone equally when it comes to official guild matters. It's one thing to pass on concerns from the people you talk to the most, it's another thing to get your friends raid spots. It seems to be a common issue in larger guilds that there are those couple of people who don't have to follow the rules because they're friends with the GM/one of the officers. This can be a guild killer, especially if the person in question abuses that.
I was in a guild that nearly split over this issue - one of the GMs buddies was just a real jerk (and not a very good player), but the GM insisted the raid leaders invite him. Most of the officers and the core raiders hated the guy, and if he hadn't stopped playing, it's not hard to imagine that there would have been a guild split over it.
It's an extreme case, but the important thing is to remember that if your guild has rules, friends of officers (or officers, for that matter) can't be excluded from them. You can be their friends without showing favoritism.
Treason of Farstriders Apr 6th 2009 3:03PM
For your friend, you need to say: "I am loyal to you, but I think what you did perhaps could have been done better."
If they get testy that you say that, challenge them. Ask do they want a friend who can speak their mind to them, or a sycophantic yesman who backs you up even if you're doing something horrible?
Khalis Apr 6th 2009 2:40PM
I had this same issue when I was an officer. I tried to be as direct and honest as I could with any player "complaining" to me about something that we as officers did. If a friend of mine is being a jerk, I told them straight out that they are being a jerk, and what's more, they are putting me in a bad position by making my job harder as an officer.
This is one of the many reasons I won't consider being an officer again, or a GM ever.
Sal Apr 9th 2009 2:26PM
1. Consider this: friends over a fictual "position" in a fictive world - do I need say more?
2. What thats said, I have a friend (my best one in world of games) that is an officer on our guild. A competitive raiding guild. I used to raid, but cut back. He didn't. I can rant to him about anything( as I could before he became an officer) And he rant back, and nothing of that ever reaches any other person. It is like a ventilator. I never expect any favoritism from him in game (which I don't get either, and he is the first one to tell me if I suck). So as far as your friends goes, I guess it depends a little, if they are real friends, rl or over many years, I really hope you don't let any officer-position ruin it. Then you would fail terribly at life :p - if they are short-term gaming friends.. well - that is what they are, and you would just have to see what counts most for you. Officers have to make unpopular decisions sometimes, and if they expect more from you than you can provide, they aren't real friends anyway.. I am not sure if any of this made sense.. :S
Az Apr 6th 2009 2:59PM
This situation is not unique to WoW.
It's common in real life jobs. If you're the boss, or in a position of authority, learning to deal with this problem is part of being in charge. Unfortunately, being a GM or guild officer is pretty much like being the boss on a job, except the problem is even more likely to occur because WoW is a game.
The way I always think of it is this: when you're in charge, you can be friendly with your employees (guildies), but you really can't be friends. There are boundaries between the two that are better left in place when you're in a position of authority. And, regardless it being a game, WoW guild officers are in that position.
I'm sure there are exceptions in both RL and in-game where everyone gets along perfectly and is okay with roles, etc. But, in my experience, there are always people out there that are looking to take advantage (whether consciously, or subconsciously) of a friend relationship in a work situation. It applies to real life and it applies to WoW (which is after all usually a microcosm of real life).
In my opinion, being in charge requires a certain understanding and acceptance of the boundaries between friend and friendly. Not everyone who is put in a leadership position is comfortable with the boundary and they are probably not going to be as effective a leader because of it. At some point you have to decide what is more important: being in charge and being effective, or being a friend. It's a social compromise that can be a very hard choice to make.
Aaron A. Apr 6th 2009 5:55PM
"There are boundaries between [being friendly and being friends] that are better left in place when you're in a position of authority. And, regardless it being a game, WoW guild officers are in that position."
Couldn't agree more. There are people, in real life as well as in-game, who will expect you to abuse your power for their benefit. My first supervisory position was at a restaurant, where I was charged with managing my friends and classmates. Wanting to be their buddy, I let them do whatever they wanted, and in short order I was given the choice of quitting or relocating to another store where nobody knew me. I let my friends break the rules, and hurt me far more than it hurt them.
Many years later, in another industry, I again got promoted from worker-bee to management, and I decided to take a firmer stance. I tried to be friendly while still enforcing the rules. I lost a "work friend" or two in the process, because they expected immunity from the rules, they expected to sit around and read comics instead of working. When that never materialized, they decided that I'd "changed" and stopped talking to me. Most, however, respected that I was trying to do my job, and accepted my new role.
Personally, I agree with the author; a real friend wouldn't put you in a position that compromised your duties to the guild. If I saw the alleged misconduct, I would agree with the other officers, but present it in a kind way that emphasized areas for improvement. If I weren't there, I'd sympathize, but otherwise stay out of it. I would not go on a fact-finding mission to determine who said what about the friend, and I certainly would not be the friend's mouthpiece in a public argument with the other officers.