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4-06-2009 @ 3:39PM
I imagine it's increasing but the base is not, as far as I can see, the hardcore gamer who first picked up the game in 11-04. Now, the new user is the gal who saw it on the shelf in Target a couple years ago and wondered if it was something she could "get into". I believe the changes from getting mounts at 30 to the 4 bosses and you're out instances in Wrath are designed to target the person who can play maybe Tuesday, Wednesday and every other Sunday afternoon. I'm losing a lot of friends who are not happy with the expansion. It's an argument Insider has raised before. "Is the game being 'dumbed down'?" I don't see growth in EU/NA but in places WOW just reached in the past 2-3 years. And, if they ever get Wrath into China, there will be an explosion of new users. I'm not a hardcore raider; quite the opposite. I just got Loremaster of Kalimdor and have dozens of things I want to do without finishing all the quests in Icecrown or Storm Peaks. Indeed, my hearth isn't in Dalaran (Lagaran?) because it's just not conducive to what I'm doing right now. So, I will happily play the game finding something new to do. But my hardcore friends are leaving because it's hugely boring. I don't advocate gearing the game towards them by any means. I think there was a survey some months back showing "hardcore" raiders were less than 20% of the user base. But I do hope, for my friends anyway, that the patch brings them hard challenges. For ActiveBlizzard, they should be happy to note, not a one of those people I know who are leaving have left for another MMO. They are leaving because this one holds no challenge for them anymore. I hope that changes.
4-06-2009 @ 5:13PM
But on the other hand, casuals are quitting because they only see the raiders being satiated. They see that once you hit level cap, all that's left are dungeons and raids, and the only new content being introduced is raids. 3.1's big feature is Ulduar, a new 10/25-man raid, but what's in 3.1 for the casuals? A daily hub in Icecrown that requires you to be 80 or at least 77+ to even get to? Swimming mounts? A few fishing dailies? Not a lot for the casuals. Stuff like Dance Studios are the big things that cater to casuals.The real stuff casuals want, like Player Housing and Cosmetic Gear/Dyes? Blizzard outright refuses to ever make it possible, citing thousands of hours of work required to do it. Meanwhile they spend hundreds of hours making each new raid for each new patch, leaving the casuals to wonder why hundreds of hours for a raid is more important than a couple thousand for housing(that anyone, not just casuals, can enjoy). The casuals are just wondering when it'll be their time to shine.So yeah, Hardcore Raiders are quitting, but so are Casuals. Combined together, you can see why people are thinking that WoW is in a decline or at least a much slower growth.
4-06-2009 @ 7:07PM
Rogue, you make valid points about the dichotomy between what casuals want and what hardcore raiders want. I, personally, don't understand the drive for player housing. What is it going to net me? I would really like a guild bulletin board feature where the Message of the Day that gets easily swept aside by whatever message Blizzard chooses to post, would be available, as well as general guild notices. I want bigger bags and the long promised wardrobe where pack rats like me could store tabards and the extra gear sets we covet. Appealing to a hardcore raider, probably not so much but to a casual, oh yeah. We all know WOW can't be exactly what each player wants and there has to be a point at which each patch ends with dreams unfulfilled. I think it's fair to say that there is a wide swath of people, hardcore and casual, who are leaving because the game is not what they started playing X years ago. Has the game reached critical mass? Maybe not yet, but that point certainly seems closer now than it did a year ago.
4-07-2009 @ 7:15AM
Erm the guild message is on your guild tab, so even if blizz put in a host of message spam, you can look it back up in about 2 secs.Good arguements tho, personally as someone who sports the loremaster title, i am not 'hard core' either. I would like to see Ghousing also, and a wardrobe for all those tabards, but imo the gameplay is more important. The change i really would like to see is Arena being split off as a completely different realm. Not unaccessable from your normal realm, but with its own rules and then they can STOP NURFING EVERYONE BASED ON "!£$"£% ARENA, sorry pet hate, shutting up now
4-07-2009 @ 8:31AM
basically WotLK is following the progression of every flavor of WoW to date, I've played since vanilla and I can tell you from when Scholo/Strat were endgame and I was trying to get all of my lightforge, valor, and shadowcraft on my 3 60's Then came biggr better harder instances. BRS upper and lower and they were rough in our little blue set sbut fun some people (casuals) said it was to hard some people (hardcore) said it was to easy. it'll be that way always. When BC came out Kara was hardish some of the fights were challenging then as more content came out the dumbed it down for the casuals, making it trivial to the hardcores (my guild enjoyed 5 manning it >_
4-07-2009 @ 8:32AM
I expect Naxx to be dumbed down even mroe if you believe its possible, and when these casuals get any purples they"ll be stoked, I already see pugs clearing 10 and 25 mans, Hell I healed a Pug in a 2 drakes that one shot it a few days ago.Uld is the middle instance it won't be to hard but will be a step up, and with hard modes the hardcores get bragging rights while the casuals get free (though slightly worse) epics. I personally like the new system, and I hope they stay the coarse, Sure I got to see Kiljeaden go into the portal Pre Wrathit was good, I redeemed those silly Bloodelves (as a BE and a tauren) reignitd thier sunwell adn knew cool I did all the content, I want everyody to see the story, I'm not an elitist but yes i want a challnge, I think WoW will continue its success just because people can get purples and better purples, and I'm with those saying the only MMO that will take out WoW is WoW2 or another Blizz game, they only throw out quality polished products .and @ sin really STFU arena is like raiding for the hardcores but or PVP I LOVE arena... its fun, its fastpaced, and it lets me squish scubs like you and get cool mounts, but never fear you'll get your free epics there come 3.1 when rating requirments are removed/lowered.as for nerfs for PVE how about my 5's Fury warrior who got hit legs cut off for PVE balance, he barely matched dmg output of the feral druid, and nwo i sbasically there for MS and to keep thing in range of out enhanc shamen with hamstring/intercept.nerfs come from both sides, accept it
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