Officers' Quarters: Account sharing + officer = bad
Every Monday Scott Andrews contributes Officers' Quarters, a column about the ins and outs of guild leadership.I've covered account sharing before. I gave some details about Blizzard's policies on it and how it could affect your guild. This week, I received an e-mail from someone who found out that an officer of the guild he was applying to shared the account with his girlfriend. He's wondering if he may have overreacted to the situation.
Hello Scott
I have a question about guild relations (both as part of leadership and as a member) with regard to people sharing account info.
I've always had a very strict stance on account sharing, driven by three concerns: it's against the ToS, it opens up guilds to things like guild bank theft, and it breaks the idea that when I whisper a character, I know who I'm talking to (or at least that it's the same entity from session to session).
In my relations with guilds, this had lead to considerable friction with other people. As an officer, if I ever see account sharing going on on a member who has access to our guild bank, I demote them and all their alts to a rank without such access. When I talk with the other officers about this, they typically don't see the issue. In some cases, I've found out that other officers have shared account info themselves, between siblings or friends, and don't see it as an issue.
My guild recently broke up, and when I applied to a new one, the first time I contacted the recruiting officer of a guild that I'd applied to, I received a whisper back saying that it was his girlfriend playing his character, and could I please whisper back later when he'd be on himself. I immediately withdrew my application from the guild.
Am I overreacting here? I describe myself as being strongly principled, and I really don't want to play the game with people who think it's OK to selectively ignore parts of contracts because they don't agree with them. But it seems like by taking this position, I'm in the minority and locking myself out of opportunities that I am otherwise qualified for.
Do you have any advice on this?
To put it bluntly: No, you didn't overreact. Principles aside, an officer sharing an account is a terrible idea. Officer characters typically have access to every item in a guild's bank, the power to invite or kick any member besides themselves, and the trust of other officers and members.
Say one day his girlfriend gets angry at him. He's not home. She has his account information. She could single-handedly dismantle and/or destroy the entire guild in less than an hour. At first, she could pretend to be him and say vicious things to people or use their trust to "borrow" valuable items. She could cause a ruckus on the server by spamming something idiotic or offensive in Dalaran, dragging down the reputation of both her boyfriend's character and his guild. Then she could just start booting everyone or taking everything from the bank and trashing it.
An officer can't kick or demote another officer. That's good because she couldn't kick them, but it's bad because they can't kick her. If the guild leader isn't online, no one can stop her. Good luck getting a game master to intervene before the damage is done.
Who wants to be part of a guild where that's a looming possibility? Girlfriend/boyfriend account sharing is probably the worst type, because those kinds of relationships can change drastically in an instant.
An account sharing situation recently came up in my own guild. It's a good example of how it can mess up your WoW life, even for a nonofficer.
For about a year or so, three real-life friends were all members of my guild. One member quit the game. His two friends got angry with the guild (for a completely unrelated reason) and quit the guild. They had access to the third friend's account, and they pulled his toon as well.
The third friend decided to start playing again and asked if we could reinvite his toon. My officers and I had nothing against him and agreed to take him back. We just had one condition: He had to be the only one with account access.
He seemed somewhat surprised by this request. He considered it a perfectly normal thing to do and said that surely I must share my account with other officers. I told him that would be a very risky thing to do in my situation and that I was the only one with access.
After thinking it over for a day, he said no. His reason was because his friends had done a lot for his account and he didn't feel right about denying them access to it. I respect his honesty to me. He could have just lied and gotten the invite anyway. I also respect his loyalty to his friends. Still, I am annoyed that an account sharing situation has cost us a good member.
The bottom line is this: You have no control over what someone else does with your account. They may be the love of your life or your best friend, but relationships can change. People can, too. People can also make mistakes. A problem may not even directly involve you, as was the case with my former member, and it can still have a huge affect on your characters, your guild, or your reputation in the community. The consequences only get magnified when you have special guild permissions and access.
It's hard to say who's in the minority. There's probably a lot more account sharing than people acknowledge. I just know that if I found out any of my officers were sharing their account -- particularly with a nonofficer -- they wouldn't be officers anymore.
/salute
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 8)
Allenny Apr 13th 2009 1:11PM
I agree with both of you 100%. Account sharing is simply a stupid thing to do.
smiley Apr 13th 2009 2:06PM
I'll agree its generally a bad idea. I dont' share my info with friends i play with unless by best friend wans to powerlvl an alt in which case its the same guy i've been friends with since freshman year of college (i have been out of college for quitee a while) and even thn i change it for him then when he finishes I change it back. I have used his for such purposes as well. but then again as i said the trust is there and there's a purpose... that said the accoutn he uses is NOT an officer in the guild (though i am on my main)
Now on my main my gf (hopefully fiance come memorial day weekend) does have all my account info... but its nothing she can't acess already seeing as she's the GM ;)
she > video games though so even if she wasn't I'd share it with her if she wanted it, I just trust her to not sdo anything nefarious on my account
Molly Apr 13th 2009 2:15PM
My boyfriend and I share accounts sometimes. It's not because we don't have our own. Sometimes I'd like to have a Brilliant Spellthread for cheap and don't want to wait 'til he gets home from work, and sometimes he wants a Darkmoon card made and I'm busy with the baby. We both hold the same rank in our guild, so gbank-raiding is not a problem. The officers know that we occasionally hop onto each other's characters, and will even ask us to if they need something.
And to people who think it's morally wrong or something to break the ToS: it's hardly a moral contract designed to take my soul if I violate it. There's morality, and then there's being ridiculous.
Alkaios Apr 13th 2009 2:27PM
Meh
Both me and my brother let this person we've known for over a year in game play on our separate accounts. It's actually really nice because when he's on, I'm free to do other things while he heals a few wings of Naxx for me, while I play some Left 4 Dead =D.
Plus I'm not, nor have I ever been, nor would I WANT to be, a guild officer...so it won't effect anyone but us. The guy who plays it used to be in the best alliance raiding guild on my server before he stopped playing his priest. He's playing a pally and a rogue, which he's never actually tried (but understood the general mechanics before even signing onto one of our accounts), but he's pro, so he helps us out with gear and badges, while he plays for free, so it's win-win tbh. He also plays on his GF's hunter and gets gear & badges for her too.
I think people who are against account sharing just haven't found trustworthy people to do it with. And tbh...it's just a game. It's not like I'm sharing a social security number or anything serious like that. If anything bad ACTUALLY happened, I'd be to blame, but at the same time, it's just a game lol.
TL;DR version: you should of read =P
Rob Apr 13th 2009 3:16PM
I agree w/ this, esp Alkaois. Its a game, not like it has financial info. We have the blizz autheticator (my wife and I), in theory we could login to each others accounts, but we don't.
I do agree with the article that officers should not share their accounts due to bank security, but if you were to have the officers have a limited bank access, like 4 slots each tab and 20g withdrawl (like we do), i think it's fine. We have a higher rank for the bank officer (me), whom we require to have the blizz autheticator.
I really like the idea of not having to level another toon to play in raids. My wife has a 80 druid that i would just love to raid with. Too bad she disagrees and won't let me play it. So now i'm slugging through stranglethorn at 40. I figure by xmas that toon will be 80. :(
Also there was a bf/gf team that would account share bc they didn't want to pay for two accts. That's fine in my book. So it's another consideration about acct sharing.
Maklaca Apr 13th 2009 3:37PM
It looks like a lot of people here are trying to come up with reasons why their version of sharing is the OK exception. I think one thing they are missing is, when someone invites you to a guild, they are inviting YOU. Not you and your girlfirend. Not you and your old school buddies...YOU. (Unless they joined w/ their own toons) While you may know these others and trust them, we do not. You now are making a judgement call for others that you should not be making. This may sound a bit harsh, but it is the reality of the situation.
smiley Apr 13th 2009 3:45PM
@ mak
its not that we're saying our examples are exceptions we're saying in general family/spouse/serious relationships its ok in our opinions. to be honest i wouldn't be part of a guidl tha had an issue with it. so you be hardcore while I enjoy the company and love of the woman i share everything openly with ;)
Maklaca Apr 13th 2009 4:14PM
@smiley
It's not about being "hardcore". You may have missed the part where I said "While you may know these others and trust them, we do not."
I have had too many friends that trust their wife, girlfriend or "best friend" blindly only to get screwed over later. That may never happen in your situation, but how do I know that. You are asking everyone else in the guild to take that chance because you are willing to. That is not your call to make.
If you want to place that trust where it will only affect you, that is fine. When you put others on the line, it is no longer your call.
It's not hardcore because we wnt to secure something that we put a lot of effort into.
smiley Apr 13th 2009 4:23PM
@mak.
as i said thats your call.
my guild is about friendships and having fun first. if somebody raided the guild bank i can GUARUNTEE you that everyperson in my guild would say "what can you do" and not be phased. we'd probly joke about it and call the person who did it a jerk after bootng him... but all in all we wouldn't let it spoil our fun
plus i'd probly put 14kG back in (thats abotu what it has now) and maybe buy some enchanting supplies for the peopel who have less time to still be abel to chant their gear.
I'd also have to do some work on my tailro and huntr to get the leg armor stockd back up but >_< what can i do abotu something somebody else did ;) its a game i enjoy it and i try to be as nice as possible in hopes others will act the same
Clbull Apr 13th 2009 4:38PM
To me, the officer sharing accounts thing would depend on the circumstances. I don't think its that big a deal, although it can heighten the risk of a guild bank ninja.
Maybe the officer's girlfriend in question doesn't play WoW much, or might not have her own account (although i think that this could not be the case either)
I think it was a slight overreaction to withdraw your guild application when you found this out though I would have been slightly wary about the guild's bank security.
Seedcake Apr 13th 2009 5:17PM
@smiley
Yeah, what can ya do, right? *helpless shrug*
Welll, ya know...you can start by, oh, I dunno, NOT SHARING YOUR ACCOUNT INFO to begin with.
What a novel thought!
Karilyn Apr 13th 2009 8:36PM
Meh, me and my spouse know each other's game account information.
Put the thing into perspective. It's just a game. If my spouse broke up with me, and decided to trash my account, I'd probably laugh.
Ya know...
Considering that my spouse has access to my IRL bank account.
Magma Apr 13th 2009 1:14PM
Great article, I stand by this stance myself. Account sharing=nono.
Lyraat Apr 13th 2009 1:12PM
Agree.
Absolutely, completely agree.
Although it happens in our guild :D
It happens in our guild because we have several married couples as officers. In fact, my wife is an officer and I'm not. I could easily walk over to her computer, log in, and wreak havoc. But I like being married to her, so I refrain from such antics. Besides, the guild would know it's me.
Outside of your spouse, don't give out your account info. And if you and your spouse are hitting some rocks in the relationship, get an authenticator and keep it on your person at all times :D
Khanmora Apr 13th 2009 2:24PM
Hehe, this sounds like our house. My husband can't log into my account, but if I am on and go afk I have to make sure I take him with me. If I don't, I'll come back and my character will have been spouting off about my husband's awesomeness. My guildies always know it's him, mainly because he uses phrases (like teehee) that I never do.
Schadow Apr 13th 2009 4:16PM
My wife is the guild leader of our guild, and I am the co-founder and an officer. We know each other's account details, but I can't recall the last time I logged in her account, or the last time she logged me in (I think it was to get ready for a raid while I was coming home from work).
This is the exception to the rule, obviously. Husbands and wives have few secrets form one another, so it is reasonable to assume they know each other's account details in most cases.
stabbington Apr 13th 2009 1:16PM
Yes, you overreacted. You have no idea what that person's girlfriend "means" to the guild. She could be another officer, or everyone else could know her and trust her just like the officer himself.
Then again, it's better to overreact when you app to a guild than it is to join a guild you'll wind up hating a year down the road.
Danca Apr 13th 2009 1:23PM
Why would a guild officer not have their own account?
stabbington Apr 13th 2009 1:31PM
Our guild has been around for about 8 years or so, after starting in EQ. There are "officers" who hardly ever play anymore.
Every guild's situation is different. I know most of our officers have multiple people with access to their accounts, and in all this time it's never been an issue.
Manatank Apr 13th 2009 1:49PM
My girlfriend and I are both officers. Sometimes I log into one of her toons when I need to farm some herbs because I don't have an herbalist. Sometimes she logs into one of my toons to farm some ore because she doesn't have a miner.
Trust. It's what it really comes down to. If you decide to trust someone in game, you need to be able to trust anyone who logs into their account. Don't assume it will be only them.
I feel a bit of sadness for those who feel it is morally wrong to share account info. Breaking contracts is occasionally immoral, but I don't think blanket user agreements fall into that category. In many cases contracts defining end user agreements are overly restrictive in order to protect the issuing party against legal entanglements. Breaking a contract has built in hazards that have nothing to do with morality. Knowingly breaching the user agreement with Blizzard means they can cancel your account without compensation. That hurts me, but it also hurts them, and hence they will be reluctant to do so unless I'm actually causing them harm by breaking my contract.