Officers' Quarters: Account sharing + officer = bad
Every Monday Scott Andrews contributes Officers' Quarters, a column about the ins and outs of guild leadership.I've covered account sharing before. I gave some details about Blizzard's policies on it and how it could affect your guild. This week, I received an e-mail from someone who found out that an officer of the guild he was applying to shared the account with his girlfriend. He's wondering if he may have overreacted to the situation.
Hello Scott
I have a question about guild relations (both as part of leadership and as a member) with regard to people sharing account info.
I've always had a very strict stance on account sharing, driven by three concerns: it's against the ToS, it opens up guilds to things like guild bank theft, and it breaks the idea that when I whisper a character, I know who I'm talking to (or at least that it's the same entity from session to session).
In my relations with guilds, this had lead to considerable friction with other people. As an officer, if I ever see account sharing going on on a member who has access to our guild bank, I demote them and all their alts to a rank without such access. When I talk with the other officers about this, they typically don't see the issue. In some cases, I've found out that other officers have shared account info themselves, between siblings or friends, and don't see it as an issue.
My guild recently broke up, and when I applied to a new one, the first time I contacted the recruiting officer of a guild that I'd applied to, I received a whisper back saying that it was his girlfriend playing his character, and could I please whisper back later when he'd be on himself. I immediately withdrew my application from the guild.
Am I overreacting here? I describe myself as being strongly principled, and I really don't want to play the game with people who think it's OK to selectively ignore parts of contracts because they don't agree with them. But it seems like by taking this position, I'm in the minority and locking myself out of opportunities that I am otherwise qualified for.
Do you have any advice on this?
To put it bluntly: No, you didn't overreact. Principles aside, an officer sharing an account is a terrible idea. Officer characters typically have access to every item in a guild's bank, the power to invite or kick any member besides themselves, and the trust of other officers and members.
Say one day his girlfriend gets angry at him. He's not home. She has his account information. She could single-handedly dismantle and/or destroy the entire guild in less than an hour. At first, she could pretend to be him and say vicious things to people or use their trust to "borrow" valuable items. She could cause a ruckus on the server by spamming something idiotic or offensive in Dalaran, dragging down the reputation of both her boyfriend's character and his guild. Then she could just start booting everyone or taking everything from the bank and trashing it.
An officer can't kick or demote another officer. That's good because she couldn't kick them, but it's bad because they can't kick her. If the guild leader isn't online, no one can stop her. Good luck getting a game master to intervene before the damage is done.
Who wants to be part of a guild where that's a looming possibility? Girlfriend/boyfriend account sharing is probably the worst type, because those kinds of relationships can change drastically in an instant.
An account sharing situation recently came up in my own guild. It's a good example of how it can mess up your WoW life, even for a nonofficer.
For about a year or so, three real-life friends were all members of my guild. One member quit the game. His two friends got angry with the guild (for a completely unrelated reason) and quit the guild. They had access to the third friend's account, and they pulled his toon as well.
The third friend decided to start playing again and asked if we could reinvite his toon. My officers and I had nothing against him and agreed to take him back. We just had one condition: He had to be the only one with account access.
He seemed somewhat surprised by this request. He considered it a perfectly normal thing to do and said that surely I must share my account with other officers. I told him that would be a very risky thing to do in my situation and that I was the only one with access.
After thinking it over for a day, he said no. His reason was because his friends had done a lot for his account and he didn't feel right about denying them access to it. I respect his honesty to me. He could have just lied and gotten the invite anyway. I also respect his loyalty to his friends. Still, I am annoyed that an account sharing situation has cost us a good member.
The bottom line is this: You have no control over what someone else does with your account. They may be the love of your life or your best friend, but relationships can change. People can, too. People can also make mistakes. A problem may not even directly involve you, as was the case with my former member, and it can still have a huge affect on your characters, your guild, or your reputation in the community. The consequences only get magnified when you have special guild permissions and access.
It's hard to say who's in the minority. There's probably a lot more account sharing than people acknowledge. I just know that if I found out any of my officers were sharing their account -- particularly with a nonofficer -- they wouldn't be officers anymore.
/salute
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 8)
zendas Apr 13th 2009 1:19PM
To me account sharing is some what up in the air. Honestly the only reason I have ever given my account info to someone else has been for an in-game holiday so I could continue my quest for the drake. I gave it to the person that I could literally trust with my life, so my question is, yea it is against the ToS but the right people can be trusted with a simple account for a few days and then change the password. Either that or get an authenticator so you have an excuse not to share it if someone asks.
eric_barbaric Apr 13th 2009 1:37PM
You said
"I gave it to the person that I could literally trust with my life, so my question is, yea it is against the ToS but the right people can be trusted with a simple account for a few days and then change the password."
Ooooooooook....so where does this question you spoke of come in? You know a question has a question mark at the end, right? A statement is not a question. lol
foodlion Apr 13th 2009 3:25PM
Oh no, not the grammar police!
On topic: I myself never have, and probably never will share my account. That said, however, I think it is primarily a matter of judgment. While I would never trust a gf or acquaintance with such information, I would have no qualms about sharing my account with my brother should he ever express interest in giving WoW a shot (at 15 months apart, I've grown to trust him; more than I do myself sometimes).
In short: Account sharing is, in general, a risky endeavor, though that is not to say that there are exceptions where it is fine.
Oriflame Apr 13th 2009 1:22PM
I was about to say "yeah, 100%" but then realized I in fact share my account with my spouse. I didn't even think of this when it came up, but considering the built the gaming rigs and signed up the accounts on her credit card and created my password... well, I guess I'm not as inocent here as I thought.
Ah well. The article is still one I agree with.
Shavra Apr 13th 2009 1:43PM
I agree with the article as well, but it's an iffy line, IMO, when two people are married. "What's yours is mine, what's mine is yours." I'm not sure what the line even is, legally.
Yes, even married couples can have a blow up, get divorced, and cause nastiness in the game. I'm not some newlywed spouting how perfect things should be. It brings up the question, though, of where the lines in this really should be.
I have my husband's password, but I won't use it. He could have mine, if he could ever remember it. We respect each others privacy too much to log in on each others accounts, though. And, if I'm angry at him, WoW would be the last thing on my mind to lash out at him with. But, other couples have different priorities and reactions.
While I wouldn't trust officers in a raiding guild who share accounts with best friends or girlfriends, I think I'd sit back and observe how a married couple acts before jumping all over them about what they're doing wrong. But, that's just me.
peagle Apr 13th 2009 1:19PM
Account Sharing can be really helpful in situations where people aren't on to play, and you need their class. Ditto for when a certain officer rank is needed to do some housekeeping. Obviously this all goes hand in hand with the need for express trust between all parties.
That said, never mind the chance to have someone unscrupulous ninja your guild bank, it opens up a greater chance for keyloggers to grab your info. Which as it happens is exactly what happened at an old guild of mine. Officer info was borrowed by an innocent party, who logged in at a web cafe. Bam! Whole guild bank gone.
Minishark Apr 13th 2009 2:40PM
Account sharing can be ok sometimes. My Guild leader has let one of our trusted officers on his account a couple of times to do cleaning up of the guild bank. However our GL has an authenticator so he must be called and the officer given the authentication code before logging in.
Treason of Farstriders Apr 13th 2009 2:25PM
@ http://www.wowinsider.com/2009/04/13/officers-quarters-account-sharing-officer-bad/#c18256510
I couldn't disagree more completely.
The point is your personal relationship *should not be hurt* by you giving a group of people the assurance that 100% of the actions taken by your electronic persona are from you. The way to do that is you don't account share with your spouse or any other loved one. This is about building trust with people, and you and your loved ones giving each other space to have private areas of your life.
If you DO feel the way the above posters does, you should disclose the fact so they can evaluate your spouse too.
These relationships, however transitory and unimportant, are built on trust. I know several people in wow I wouldn't trust their spouse with responsibility/power their other half wields. I can't trust they wouldn't do something foolish.
Hendrata Apr 13th 2009 1:20PM
Sounds like a good breakfast topic for tomorrow, or make an actual poll: do you share your accounts?
LEt there be a 3rd choice: refuse to answer... that way people don't have to answer if they don't want to
That being said, last night a guildie hunter was being played by his gf. She was fighting Patchwerk with MELEE from the FRONT, and didn't take a dip in the slime. Needless to say, it caused a wipe. Her reason was because the gun is broken and she had missed the repair bot.
Ugh.
darian Apr 13th 2009 1:54PM
Patchwerk is not affected by parry haste, though I suppose you are instead trying to reply that it was her horrible DPS which fudged your chances.
Hendrata Apr 13th 2009 1:55PM
I think she gets hit by hateful strike which then causes a wipe, though I'm not sure how.... we didn't even get to hit enrage timer... I play a lock so I'm not quite sure what happened up there
JALbert Apr 13th 2009 2:45PM
I love when people berate others when they don't even understand game mechanics.
Patchwerk only hatefuls the top 3 (2 on 10 man) on threat. Of those three on top of threat, he picks the one with the highest hp. In addition, hatefuls *cause* threat, so the tanks have no problems holding top aggro after a couple rounds of hatefuls.
It's highly unlikely that a hunter doing melee pulled off of your tanks unless you had no offtanks and no other melee DPS.
Likewise, dipping in the slime is a silly superstition, as your tanks should have no problem holding aggro.
Ulurjah Apr 13th 2009 3:19PM
ROFL,
It sounds like you have way more problems in your guild than somebody's GF playing their toon for a fight. There are so many red flags in your post:
1.) Gun was broke. I guess there were wipes aplenty before Patchwerk? That's probably not a good sign...
2.) "Didn't dip herself in slime." -- A completely worthless and needless tactic given the fight mechanics. Apparantly you (and your guild?) don't understand the fight very well.
3.) You say she got a hateful strike, but you think it has something to do with her fighting melee from the front. *facepalm*
If you don't have a firm understanding of the game mechanics, or the mechanics of a specific fight, then it's not a good idea to assign blame to someone. You're likely to end up looking foolish.
The Claw Apr 13th 2009 11:41PM
Sounds to me like the hunter's girlfriend was actually doing as good a job in that fight as anyone else.
AyaJulia Apr 13th 2009 1:22PM
I'm going to have to disagree with this.
"They may be the love of your life or your best friend, but relationships can change. People can, too."
Real life is more important than WoW. If my husband (or boyfriend, if that was the case) needs my account for something, he's free to use it, and I'm free to use his. I am never, never going to put the desires of people I barely know in a game above my real-life relationships. I had a guild once ask me to change my password to something my husband didn't know. I /gquit within a day. You have your priorities all wrong if you put a guild above your real relationships.
Droo Apr 13th 2009 1:38PM
Well, sure, except you forget that WoW is also to some extent 'real life'. It isn't a console game filled with just scripted NPCs - there are real people playing this game too, who invest a lot of time and effort into furthering their goals with other real people.
Yes, you can be sentimental and claim that someone you know or trust (husband, hopefully not) won't someday, intentionally or unintentionally, sabotage work that potentially dozens of people have placed months or years of effort into. You could say that, but I wouldn't believe you, because it's happened before with other accounts despite their players predictions otherwise.
So the question is this: are you willing to risk an entire guild filled with many people for a few people you trust? Would you still believe someone was justified in sharing their info if their significant other nuked your guild bank because they trusted that SO?
To be honest though, I'd share my account info with my wife - I wouldn't tether myself to someone who would do such a thing for any reason, and I think many people also think similarly. But, I'd never share it with my girlfriend.
Jay in Oregon Apr 13th 2009 1:38PM
My wife and I know each other's account information, but she's never even looked at my account to my knowledge -- she has enough alts to cover every contingency *sigh* -- and I only log into her characters to troubleshoot addon issues or check things for her when she's not at home. I immediately identify myself as not being my wife when I log into her characters, to forestall any potentially embarassing or personal conversations.
Could she log onto my account, sell all of my stuff, trash my guild bank -- yes, I'm an officer -- and delete my characters? Yes. Would I be married to someone who could possibly do such a thing? No, and if I I'd change my password in a heartbeat if I thought that was a possibility (and she'd do the same).
I have access to her Social Security number, her cellphone, and our bank accounts. She, in turn, has access to my Social Security number and my cellphone. If you can't trust the person you're living with (married or not), you have bigger problems than what happens to your toons.
Ircasha Apr 13th 2009 1:51PM
I would have to agree with you. Interpersonal politics trumps Guild politics 100% of the time.
That being said, while my wife and I know one each others account info, the times one or the other of us has used the others account is very, very rare. Mainly just to transfer crafting items back and forth when one of us isn't in the mood to log on. We are both officers in our small, friends and family guild and this has never been an issue.
We have several guild members who have their kids run their dailies for them and other similar tasks and it's never been an issue. Since we all know one another in RL (our Guild is an offshoot of our pen and paper gaming group which has been around since the early 80s), I know where all of them live.
Magma Apr 13th 2009 1:51PM
Yeah...too bad about those things called the terms of service. Sorry your guild asked you to abide by the rules you already agreed to.
AyaJulia Apr 13th 2009 1:53PM
"are you willing to risk an entire guild filled with many people for a few people you trust?"
You mean you wouldn't?
Sad.
I never claimed anyone in WoW was anything other than a real person. I said you're people I hardly know. If you and your SO walked into a new restaurant, say, and they looked at you and said "We don't allow hussies with red shoes in here"... would you tell your wife/girlfriend/male SO who just likes red shoes to go wait in the car while you ate, or would you leave together and find another place to eat?
I'd leave together. You're telling me I'm wrong for not telling her to wait in the car.
SO WHAT if years down the line we get pissed off and he deletes my characters? It's a -game-, and I can ask a GM to restore them. I'd rather have him get pissed off and leave me years and years down the line because of a money fight or a how-to-raise-our-kids fight than have him get pissed off and leave tomorrow because I refuse to trust him with something as silly as a series of 1s and 0s on a server in another country.