Spiritual Guidance: Shadow as a secondary spec in 3.1
Every week, Spiritual Guidance will offer practical insight for priests of the holy profession. Your host today is Alex Ziebart who doesn't have as many cool links to plug up here as Matticus does but will try anyway. This week we get our Shadowform on..
PvE Shadow - Raiding
MMO-Champion has a great tool for setting up talent specs, because you can include your glyphs as well, so we're going to be using that. This spec (14/0/57) will be a fairly cookie-cutter raiding build in patch 3.1, with only very minor variations from person to person. The Shadow tree isn't a very complicated one. Either a talent boosts your DPS, or it does something else. For a raiding spec, you want all of the DPS talents and you can skip all of the 'something else' talents unless they're mandatory for a DPS talent. It's pretty straightforward. Even in the Discipline tree the ultimate goal is to pick up the DPS talents, Twin Disciplines and Improved Inner Fire. Meditation isn't a direct DPS talent, but having no mana is certainly a DPS hit.
Shadow Affinity is one talent that tends to grab people's eyes and seduce them into speccing it, but don't do it! Shadowform already comes packaged with 30% threat reduction, so there are almost no situations in which you'll need Shadow Affinity in PvE as well. None of the Ulduar bosses we've seen so far will cause a Shadow Priest threat problems unless your tank isn't sure how to push his buttons. You definitely do not need two threat reduction talents, and the new dispel component of Shadow Affinity is a PvP thing, not a raiding thing.
Glyphs, too, are pretty straightforward for Shadow. As a raider, your Major Glyphs should be Glyph of Shadow, Glyph of Shadow Word: Pain, and Glyph of Mind Flay. Your minors aren't very important, but I'm personally going to try to keep Glyph of Shadowfiend in there no matter what spec I am. Having a little insurance is pretty nice.
PvE Shadow - Non-Raiding
A non-raiding spec for PvE is going to vary a lot from person to person. The Shadow tree is what you could call bloated, but it's the good kind of bloated, not the bad kind of bloated. Almost every single talent in the tree has a use, so you get stuck deciding which ones work best for you personally. I would use a build like this one (9/0/62) if I'm just questing and doing 5-mans, but don't worry about copying it exactly. You don't need to do thatm, and probably shouldn't do that. Tailor it to what works for you. As long as most of your talent points are in the Shadow tree, you can probably end up with a passable spec.
Glyphs aren't quite as varied, there are still only a few that you would really want to use. Avoid the Glyph of Mind Flay this time around, because you don't wan't to give up the snare if you're just questing around. I replaced it with a Glyph of Dispersion, because a lower cooldown on it will reduce downtime (especially with the loss of Meditation to get all I want in the Shadow tree) and let me solo ridiculous, absurd things I shouldn't be able to solo more often! Glyph of Shadow and Glyph of Shadow Word: Pain still take up my other two slots. The other options simply aren't worthwhile in PvE.
Conclusion
Shadow is a very easy talent tree to pick apart. There aren't many useless talents. As I said, spending talent points is largely going to come down to what is best for you. A raiding spec is a little more cookie cutter, but you still have some freedom with it. Try things out, experiment, do some reading, find what you like. Use what I've given you as a framework. Don't take it as an absolute.
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 3)
Selinax Apr 13th 2009 7:18PM
Just need to manually recast SW:P on +damage buffs such as Shadow Weaving, Maly Sparks, Thaddius's Charges, etc.
Any +Spellpower buffs (ex.Dying Curse) get applied to the current SW:P when it is refresh by Mind Flay so no need to manually recast it for those occasions.
foodlion Apr 13th 2009 5:12PM
That is interesting, I'll have to do some tests when I get home tonight.
I do know, however, the "buffed" Serpent Sting is kept up be Chim shot for MM hunters. I would always be sure to put on an SrS when my mirror proc'd/ FFF was at 20.
Clevins Apr 13th 2009 5:25PM
Um... why have 2 slightly different shadow specs? Seems like a total waste. I use the one I raid with (similar to yours) soloing and in 5 mans and it's fine. I can't see any reason to spend 1000g to tweak a spec a bit for 5 mans/soloing.
Alex Ziebart Apr 13th 2009 6:12PM
The post is aimed at Holy Priests that want to have a Shadow spec as their 2nd spec. I figure they'll take one of them. It's not suggesting Shadow Priests should take both of them.
People who don't raid at all don't need the same talents raiders take.
JustSomeGuy Apr 13th 2009 6:03PM
There are PvP specs for Priests? Since when?
Priest is PvE only. Sorry, it's true, it's true.
WaVe Apr 13th 2009 6:36PM
Why would you need Dispersion in a PvE Raiding build? It's a strictly PvP talent and its only use in PvE is a really crappy innervate. The point would be much better spent in Focused Mind.
Alex Ziebart Apr 13th 2009 6:42PM
Because Dispersion is an absolutely great spell, even in PvE. It's not a PvP only ability, not at all.
Eisengel Apr 14th 2009 6:38AM
Mana pot X2 = Dispersion + Runic Mana
Numos Apr 13th 2009 6:39PM
I would advise most healing priests to use their second spec either for the other healing sepc, or for some pvp/arena spec. I've been shadow since I started playing, literally never specing holy or disc once. My fear is that we will see lots of healing priests trying to dps in raids. There are some talented people out there who can probably learn the dps rotation for a shadow priest and really make it work, but do the raiding guilds a favor and don't go to the dark side!!!
MMaster Apr 13th 2009 6:55PM
Where is that picture from? I'd like to see the original.
Alex Ziebart Apr 13th 2009 6:57PM
I wish I knew, to be honest. I'd love to give the artist some credit for it, but I've had it sitting on my computer for awhile waiting to be used. :\
Marauding Master Apr 13th 2009 7:10PM
http://cythus.deviantart.com/art/Battle-Priest-38157769
Found it. :)
Tara Apr 13th 2009 7:00PM
Any reason you are linking to wowdb instead of wowhead? I really prefer the mouse over tooltips from wowhead, instead of having to click through the link...
Alex Ziebart Apr 13th 2009 7:04PM
Wowhead was down today when I was writing up the article, so I went to WoWDB for my links instead. Sorry, I would've used Wowhead if I could've. :\
Ben Striegel Apr 13th 2009 9:00PM
I'm still leveling, so rather than going full shadow I'd prefer trying something absurd and ridiculous, something that would get you kicked out of a serious guild, like, say, a lolsmite build. Speaking of which, I haven't seen anyone talking about lolsmite since before Wrath... has anyone with a high-level priest tried out a spec like this at level 80? And is it more or less viable now with glyphs and Wrath talent changes?
Saranthe Apr 13th 2009 9:07PM
Okay, okay. I really could use some help on this one. Ever since the change to Improved Shadowform (back in 3.0.2, I think), EVERYONE seems to be after it. WHY? I really don't get it at all. It offers no increased DPS, no increased utility. Sure, it's a great PvP talent, but why are we bothering with it? I would guess that it was just someone's preference to play it safe, but just about every shadow spec I see has it. Could someone explain this to me?
I was planning to go 12/0/58 (http://miniurl.com/10686) for my secondary spec, as I am currently Holy. The lack of Inner Focus is personal preference, I never found it very useful, but the Improved Shadowform I really just don't get.
Alex Ziebart Apr 13th 2009 9:12PM
Both pushback resistance and the ability to drops roots is incredible. They're not useful in absolutely every encounter, but like Dispersion, it's silly not to have it because the situations where it's good? It's REALLY GOOD.
Improved Shadowform and Dispersion are useless if you're DPSing in a vacuum, but in actual raiding they are extremely useful.
Saranthe Apr 13th 2009 9:20PM
I see... I didn't do much Wrath raiding as Shadow, I switched to Holy pretty quick, but I do recall being driven mad by lost Mind Flay/Mind Sear ticks due to pushback. And dropping roots would be pretty handy, this is true... thanks, Mr. Ziebart. The answer is appreciated.
Danafi Apr 14th 2009 1:32AM
Is Improved Shadowform really worth it for raiding? I want to raid and do dailies with Shadow but I can't see removing movement impairing effects and stopping spell push back in a raid environment as beneficial enough for 2 point when you could put one more into Focused Mind. Am I missing something?
Danafi Apr 14th 2009 1:34AM
Doh! Ignore my comment, didn't see the guy RIGHT above me. I need sleep.