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4-17-2009 @ 12:37AM
>Not to push the argument, but sure, they bought the cards.It's good you admit that, and I hope that means you know why your arguments that they were stealing unauthorized time that Blizzard wasn't getting paid for. They were. (Unless you have some evidence that they managed to get hacked cards somehow.)>But is Blizzard getting any revenue from them other than that? No. They are making money off of ads on the site, giving cards to people who have all ready gotten the time anyway.No, they're giving cards to people would apply them to their accounts, which would mean that time would be applied to their subscription. Let's say your account was set to be charged this Friday. If you logged on and used a game card that somebody gave you, then you'd not be charged till May. Or June if it was a 60 day card.That's how it works. Other sites give away game cards, you'll note, like um...WoWInsider!> So, while people may think I am mistaken... fact is, if I used the service, I would knowingly be getting for ME an free day/week/month that I DIDN'T ask Blizzard for.No, that's not how it works at all. This is why you're completely and utterly mistaken. You are mistaken.>And the site gets money for me doing that. It's like saying buying gold isn't against policy. Yes the "consumer" isn't paying the site directly, but we are exchanging goods for a service. No, it's nothing like saying Buying gold isn't against policy. Nothing at all. BTW, have you been into Wal-Mart lately? Did you know they sell game cards to people? Do you know they get a cut? Do you know you're legally allowed to sell your TCG cards for money, even the loot cards? Cuz you are!>End result, UPOWP was making money off of Blizzard's property without consent. And they made the service "free" so they could get around the system, by just collecting the revenue from the ads. No, they made the service free because folks complained about paying into it, thinking they'd get scammed. So they adapted as best they could.>The end result is no different than getting money for selling gold.The end result is quite different.> Call me mistaken if you like, agree or disagree, but the sites been shut down due to the very reasons I've stated.You're mistaken because you're wrong, and no, many sites have not been shut down for selling or giving away real goods. I can go buy a car from a local dealer if I want, and give it away on my website. > If you make money off someone else’s product, without their permission, even if you think it doesn't directly hit their bottom line, it's still theft(it’s just theft you hope they won’t notice).No, in this case it's not theft, any more than if I sell the cans of soda I buy at the grocery store without telling Coke or Pepsi about it. Or if I operate a used book store. Yes, that's right, I can buy books and sell them used at my own store. It's legal and nobody could sue me to stop.This is distinct from something like say, copying a music CD or a DVD and selling it, as it's a real good being sold, not me making copies.> If Blizzard wanted the service active, they'd create it or allow it in their ToS(like add-ons). They didn't create it, and they still don't allow it, and in the end, the service was stopped. Dude, Blizzard just decided to throw their lawyers at the problem. It doesn't make what they did legal or right. This is different from something like Glider or SusanExpress where they're interacting with the state of the game. Nothing YPOWP did was any different than what you can do by going to Wal-Mart.Nothing. You can quibble over it for a lot of reasons, but to call it theft? Stealing? Like you did? That is not true. If you're going to come up with objections to it, please try to make your objections less laughable. They are patently false and easily refuted.
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